If you have 20 min, heck I only needed five
#405908 - 03/23/2018 01:05 AM |
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Does this seem to be backwards!
I would have rewarded opposite, with more distance.
https://youtu.be/a4kHsaUSylQ
I still have a reactive Harry,but we do a quick turn around with vehicles, and practice tug when a turn around is not possible. I myself prefer to reward the look at me's this dog was showing, and not reward the lunge or reactiveness towards the noise
Or maybe it is just me, with me pre spring break mind, dreading 11 days of walks with kids who tend to wander.. And a pup who hates to see his lambs loose lol.
On a side note, 100 percent housetrained at 5 months 26 days, strict feedings with waiting in the kitchen until he settles, fixed meal skipping, grooming is great as long as it is just us two, and we have been dog sitting a 10 lb anxious panting smelly mouthed shorkie, and Harry has been a dream boy, showing his rear to her, and giving her space, no barking, whining or pawing at her, I think he is a bit scared of her. She hates me, as I groomed her on day one, 50 matts, nails were almost an inch. Took me 9 hours!
Going on 70lbs, my boy! This vid is off to me , but that's just my opinion!
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Re: If you have 20 min, heck I only needed five
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#405912 - 03/24/2018 11:02 PM |
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I'm not quite getting it either.
For one thing I would START with a distance that isn't in an area that the dog gets excited.
Maybe they were just determining that distance when they moved the dog back.
Marking and rewarding as the dog alerts is very confusing.
Hopefully others can explain this.
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Re: If you have 20 min, heck I only needed five
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#405914 - 03/25/2018 04:03 PM |
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In all 3 videos they marked the dog for paying attention to the distractions. Or looking at the distractions. Backwards to me, there was plenty of chance to mark the watch me.
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#405915 - 03/25/2018 10:31 PM |
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Agree!
Obviously they have had success with it.
I can only think that the first alert on traffic is marked then the dog gets rewarded for turning back.
Again, I would prefer to mark when the dog complied with me.
I would do basic obedience and mark it for being correct ON ME while the distraction is passing.
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#405916 - 03/26/2018 06:46 AM |
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For three of mine, this works fine. They have to remain in a sit-stay before we cross some street until I give the permission to cross. With Slippie it works only partly. When I see for example an omnibus approaching, she follows the sit-command and I of course mark and reward for this. Then I helped her to keep the sit with a duration marker.But when the bus came nearer she could feell the gust, she was confused, broke the stay und pulled me back.
I have since some time started to keep further away from the street and it is now much better. I think it also the sound and perhaps the aize of that vehicle which scares her.
The problem is that depending on the street I have to go nearer in order to see what is coming. Should i for the time being avoid such streets with her and only chose the ones where I have an overview from further away and keep more distance, which I hope I can reduce gradually?
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#405925 - 03/26/2018 11:02 PM |
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There are times that a correction is the best answer but slowly closing the distance can be a big help.
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#405928 - 03/29/2018 06:46 AM |
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Yes. Slippie is used to corrections in other situations. Then when I'm really sure she has understood she shouldnt do something, e.g for brweaking a stay she gets one, because she know exactly she mustn't break it before I've given my "ok".
But if she braeks the sit sit stay as I described because of a big vehicle, she wouldn't I increase her fear it with a correction?
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#405937 - 03/29/2018 11:15 PM |
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If she understands the correct for other behaviors then there should be no reason she doesn't understand it for a sit stay if it was trained properly.
It boils down to longer distance from distractions and short length of time in building for the dog holding solid sits on the command.
Any command can be broken down into simple behaviors with the basic time, distance, distractions.
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#405940 - 03/30/2018 06:31 AM |
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Slippie has a very good stays (sit, down and stand) in diferent situations. I can put food around her, also directly in friont of her nose, with an additional command "Leave it". she doesn't break the stay, nor does she touch the food. All this with increasing time, distance and distractions. But in this case distance doesn't mean I'm going away further. We have to increase the distance from the source of danger. Don't you agree?
Breaking a stay happens only then, when a distraction is too strong for her, like the bus or neighbour's dog being to near. With the bus it is definitaly a distraction with fear. That's why I prefer to remain at distance. I'd find it unfair to correct her while she is so confused. I think, I will have to recognize better, where her threshold is and reduce the distance bit by bit.
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#405954 - 03/30/2018 03:19 PM |
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Agree! Just start like the dog has never been worked with this before.
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