How many of you guys have given this to your dogs? I have been for about two months and have noticed a difference in performance with them. They are also a bit leanet I think.

1. I've heard of people using it.
2. It might do some damage to their temperament.
3. One feels a great adrenaline rush and I think it could make a dog neurotic and vicious.
4. I think Steroids, Hormone Growth, Extreme amounts of Diet pills can result in what many people do with taking Meth or other forms of stimulants. It causes extreme paranoia and violent behavior.
5. One might notice an improvement in it, but at what cost?
6. I don't think this should be classified as HGH or extreme drugs like that but it could be dangerous.
7. No free rides in nature.

I'm not saying you're wrong Mike about using it. It would just make me nervous somewhat. Especially with dogs bred for aggression.

Before the butt-talking continues...

http://www.sportsci.org/traintech/creatine/rbk.html

Creatine can have physical side affects but increased aggression is highly doubtful. I do not know of any mental side affects with creatine use.

1. I don't agree.
2. You look at any thing that increases engery and you will see increased aggression.
3. These things work well with increasing metabolism and toning up with weights. That's because it works in a similar way like diet pills.
4. I've taken this and it makes you feel different.
5. Put Mike Tyson on something like this and see the reaction. That's why they don't want these guys on it.

Steve, some people take speed and it doesn't bother them. Others end up mentally flawed or in prison for a violent crime.

This stuff could have a serious affect on dogs bred for aggression. On some maybe not, which ones though?

This stuff is the same type of thing in a lighter form. Russian athletes used to take this to get an edge. On the link there's plenty of others that'll say something different.

I don't deny these things work, but there's a price. I've taken it, and I didn't like how I felt. Not as extreme as other things but I wouldn't give it to a dog.

I don't deny there's positive things with it but what is the importance of muscle tone with protection dogs?

On a side note Steve, I'll say this. I was a serious powerlifter in highschool and very good. I've used many methods and can say what works, but I can tell you the result or price you pay. These things make sleep difficult and could make it bad for dogs. Maybe it was just me?

I've been around plenty of personal trainers too and knowing that steriods doesn't bother many of them at all would make me think they had a biased opinion. People should be allowed to take it, but know what it is. It's not right for dogs to me though.

This is the safest one of all the drugs for this I mentioned just about, IMO. but still for me no.

Creatine monohydrate has a slew of side effects in dogs that include all of the following: Stomach Distress, Diarrhea, Cramping, Bloating, unwanted water retention and Nausea.

I am a avid weight lifter and martial artist. I used it when I 4 week cycle heavy lifting and gained mass maybe because of the ATP replenishing. But because I am a research hound I found that the hydrating muscle causes an 8-12 % strength increase.

Well anyone who lifts knows that is a lot when put to the reps of a set. Creatine makes the muscles hydrate but then so does drinking LOTS of fluids w/ electrolytes, which are proven safe for dogs.

If you want to experiment consider this about pure creatine monohydrate: The uptake of creatine into muscle can only take place after the creatine has been absorbed through the intestine walls into the bloodstreams. What this study shows is that if you take a 10-gram serving of creatine monohydrate, regardless of what additives are included in the product, only 2 grams will even be available for muscle uptake, or assimilation.

A waste of money considering eating a large piece of meat will do about the same for you.

So a natural diet with plenty of meat I think is the best supplement. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

If you think you must supplement your dog's diet use Creatine Citrate not Monohydrate. The uptake and assimilation is much better and I am not aware of any side effects.

Here is the supplement I give my dogs... A picture of a better dog. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />

It has about the same effect.

When you read that this is outlawed in the NFL and in other types of sports and leagues, what makes them come up with this decision?

This doesn't burn metabolism and and it return makes you more lean?
Diet Pills can do this to and some people will use Speed, and it burns lots of fat. I know it's different but I think the engery level and aggression increases.
True Creatine doesn't work exactly like this BUT I think it could turn the notch up on a dog, especially one with already high drive. A little too much and then chaos.

Stomach Distress, Diarrhea, Cramping is also common with people who use Meth, I think there's a connection.

Many people, athletes will take speed because when on the football field it increases strength and speed to high levels. Diet Pills work this way too. Both of these along with Creatine burn extreme amounts of body fat, as well as steroids.

Wouldn't you say when you are on it, it's not only giving you a better look and workout but it's giving you more engery, more everything in my opinion. Some of the things it gives you more of you do not want.