I think I read a while ago on the forum that young dogs are conditioned from the start in belgian ring and frenchring to overcome the stressfull situations in these sport, thus even a quite weak nerved dog could manage to do well in these sports, they learn by training to overcome the stress in the sports. My question is if this also could be done in mondio, where the enviroment and exercises change all the time, it seems like mondio test the nerves best of all dogsports because of this, or am I wrong?
Originally posted by stig: it seems like mondio test the nerves best of all dogsports because of this, or am I wrong? Mondio is not a test of nerves. It is simply a trained routine that involves apparatus but the dog is never stressed as per real life.
Think about it. Mondio does not allow for the dog to be struck with the stick.
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Jerry is correct and to an extent so is Stig. The Belgiun people are very good trainers. They start thgeir dogs young and condition them to work in strange situations - but ALWAYS on the training field.
To me Mondio is a big flashy game. There are no stick hits which is too bad - just another example of TOO MANY ANIMAL RIGHTS PEOPLE ON THIS EARTH. There needs to be a PETA PLAGUE to thin them out.
Bottom line is that even at the national events (of which I have been at many) you still see nerve prolems with good helpers. A good helper has a presence and attitude and the dogs pick up on this. For thing nerved dogs - conditioning can old go so far.
Originally posted by Ed Frawley:
To me Mondio is a big flashy game. There are no stick hits which is too bad - just another example of TOO MANY ANIMAL RIGHTS PEOPLE ON THIS EARTH. There needs to be a PETA PLAGUE to thin them out.
LOL, how about a plaque of locusts to thin the Peta Herd.
I'm curious. If Mondio is not a test of nerves why do you think that half of the Ring 3 dogs at the French Mondio Championship last year balked at the face attack? I'm not certain, but I would think these to be dogs trained in French Ring.
I would agree that the one place Mondio falters is not having hits on the stick attack. I'll also bet that changes in the next few years. But an exercise to exercise comparison to the fine sport of French Ring seems to how much more difficult Mondio can be.
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Stick hits will not ever be added to the Mondio ring. The reason is that its a European dog sport that is touted by the animal rights people. I have been to their championships and talked with a lot of people there. They are proud of the fact that the dogs are not hit - 1/2 the dogs ran because the championship because they had bad charachter. One has to wonder how many would have run had there been stick hits.
The fact is that Mondio can be a very fun sport for people to train in. But it is not comparable to the Belgium Ring, Schutzhund or even the KNPV.
My understanding was that the dogs that balked were in fact titled in French Ring prior to the event.
It's hard to say whether the hits will be allowed. I'm meeting with a Mondio judge later today who just got back from the World Championships and I believe this issue was discussed. There had been a lot of talk about it recently and I think that as the articles are becoming more and more difficult to keep off the dog, we may find hits being allowed. As I said, I am in favour of this on the Face Attack.
Mondio is an evolving and fluid sport, limited only by the imaginations of its trainers and judges.
The issue of whether it test the nerve of a dog is an interesting one. I would call upon your experience here, but are not the hits in Belgian Ring, merely taps?
Don't mean to get into a this sport is better than that?
The issue of whether it test the nerve of a dog is an interesting one. I would call upon your experience here, but are not the hits in Belgian Ring, merely taps?
Depends on which organization. I believe the St. Hubert trials have a little more energetic stick work than the NVBK. The NVBK enthusiast will counter that by saying they have more stuff on the field (more soda bottles, and gadgets to play with).
I personally beleive that KNPV provides a true test when the stick hits are applied by a good decoy. In schH we seem to keep watering it down all the time.
But is stick-hits more stressing to the dog than the environmental stresses in mondio? Being hit with a soft stick like they have in SCH and IPO doesn´t seems to be a big deal for many dogs. I´ve heard from people with experience from both mondio and IPO that you can get more success in IPO with a medium-dog than you can reach in mondio, some dogs could do well in IPO but hasn´t what it takes for reaching the top level in mondio.
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