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#34718 - 07/14/2001 11:47 AM |
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I do not wish to get into officer tactics to the extent of this being a public message board, but was looking for various opinions on how different handlers/trainers work their buildings both in training and in reality.
I was wondering which school of thought is prevailing. Wherever I have taught a seminar, this always seems to be the largest difference between depts. (Other than the bark/hold, find/bite) I was wondering, who lets the dog penetrate deep in the building, out of sight and search, or those to keep the dog in sight, recalling and deploying the dog room to room, or area as they make forward movement. Thought it would make for an interesting subject as well.
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#34719 - 07/15/2001 06:19 PM |
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The military teaches their dogs to search on a close pattern to the handler on leash, also depends on situation and building. But we do this so when suspect is located, we can determine what the dog is going to do.
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#34720 - 07/15/2001 06:25 PM |
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I just finished editing a tape on training police dogs to search buildings.
Tactics are always going to be a point of argument in police work - no matter what area of law enforcement we are talking about- but doing building search on leash is a dangerous policy. It is one that will get handlers in more trouble than is necessary.
The US military has always had some very dedicated dog handlers (some really good guys as handlers) but it is not known for a quality dog program. Lakland air force base has been a joke for years. One only needs to look at training drug dogs with food rewards as an example.
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#34721 - 07/15/2001 09:22 PM |
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I agree with you on this one Ed. If the dog is kept on lead, you almost don't even need him in the building at all...JMO.
Despite some of our certifications here in CT, I train most of my handlers to send the dog ahead to clear a area ahead, but then recall and go room to room, sending the dog in first mind you. It used to be send the dog in and let him find the bad guy and now, go find your dog. At one of my last seminars, only two handlers survived the building search because of this. I was hoping others had an opinion on why letting the dog go deep and then going to the dog is beneficial?
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#34722 - 07/15/2001 09:41 PM |
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We no longer are a joke, as we once were. Food dogs are no longer trained, our patrol training has greatly improved. In fact, at our first competition since changing the way we train we went to tuscon police trials last year and took 3rd, not bad for the first time.
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#34723 - 07/15/2001 09:44 PM |
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We in the military don't do many real world building searches as a whole, and unfortunatly we have some stict guidelines we must follow.
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#34724 - 07/16/2001 09:21 AM |
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The police olympics were held in Abeliene last year and I was one of the judges.There were several military dog handlers there and the winner of the gold medal in obedience and protection was a young man from Lackland handling a nice little Mal. I was impressed with their dogs overall,and it was very obvious which handlers had worked the hardest <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
The problem I have seen is that the military changes very slowly with regard to training methods,.
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#34725 - 07/16/2001 04:00 PM |
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You are correct we are moving slowly, but at least we are moving. In the past 18 months the whirlwind of change has been fantastic.
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#34726 - 07/16/2001 07:20 PM |
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Ed,
I don.t want to get into an argument, but just 2 saturdays ago I had the privilage of judging a poice k-9 competition, I did the patrol with some assistance and was one of the judges in the narcotics also. Ft Rucker, Al.had 2 MWDs present at the competition.
They took first in obedience judged by a licensed AKC judge. They took 1st and 3rd in patrol, 1st in narcotics, they had one dual trained narc 1 dual trained explosive team and 2nd in explosive competition, both dogs rewards were kong balls.
I must say I was impressed by their appearance, professionalism, and appearance of both their k-9s.I just got off the phone with one of them and they do neither their building or area searches on line except occasionally to clean up a problem.
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#34727 - 07/16/2001 07:38 PM |
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I have hear rumors of changes in the military training program. I hope this is the case. The need for change was there.
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