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#4012 - 12/16/2002 08:15 PM |
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Im sure this has been asked plenty but Id like to here some opinions.
I have a young female,1.5 years, and she is very intense in everthing she does. I cert. her in narcotics with NNDDA at 6 months.When we first started tracking I thought she was great.Now Im wondering what I can do to make her tracking look like a mechanical shutzhund type tracking instead of a drug search. She loves to track but its not pretty,she looks like she's headed to a fire.She doesnt miss articles and suprising she doesnt miss turns,even though they are more pronounced than the rest of the track.
Ive thought of getting compulsive,but on what?, getting her nose off the track? The problem seems more about settling down and going slower. Ive thought of doing just dirt tracks so I can see the footsteps to help keep her nose in them but she's still fast.
If I just walk slow no matter what shell start swaying back and forth or lay on her belly and keep tracking. I love the intensity but I really want that methodical tracking.
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#4013 - 12/16/2002 09:32 PM |
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I have never seen a 65 pound female that can track any faster than I care to walk. It sounds like the dog has you trained to run. This is not rocket science - WALK SLOW - sooner or later she will figure out she cannot pull you any faster than your walk
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#4014 - 12/16/2002 11:03 PM |
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Methodical schutzhund tracking is the result of methodical training. If she is a year and half old I assume food is not the motivation for tracking. If the motivator is at the end of the track, don’t put it there any longer. Transfer the motivator to the articles, just like the drug searches. Footstep tracking is developed by placing food in each step, then intermittently, then articles. Good thought on the dirt tracking, especially when you start using compulsion. You must be 100% sure of the track and articles or DON’T correct. If the article indication is correct then I would place a lot of articles close together to get her to slow down or make a mistake. Be ready for the mistake so you can properly time the correction. Only correct for one type of mistake (article, turn, on or off track) at a time so the dog does not get confused or stressed. As said, if you slow down she will eventually quit belly crawling. One problem at a time, be PATIENT. Find a good coach that can evaluate you and the dog on the track.
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#4015 - 12/17/2002 01:59 PM |
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Fast tracker ,great ,now get someone else to observe your tracking see what is really going on with the both of you. Sch tracking ,slower tracking is part of the foundation work and is arrived at by food motivation and the distance you place the food drops, from your foot steps.Many dogs will slow done on there own ,but it will take time . Are you useing food ? ,bite at the end of the track ? and the other thing you might want to do is lay more articles .Not really sure what you are doing with the dog ? SCH or Police work ? Peter
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#4016 - 12/17/2002 09:45 PM |
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Today I ran three tracks on dirt. I was putting food periodically on the track when doing grass but it almost seemed like a distraction so Im doing it different on dirt,Im using lots more articles.For articles Im using caps off two liters and stepping on them so she doent see them until her nose is on them and when she downs Im rewarding her with the ball(on a string).She is tracking much more methodical with the knew idea that her ball could be in any given footstep.She is much more enthused about the content of the track as opposed to moving fast.Thanks for the response to my original question!
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#4017 - 12/17/2002 11:13 PM |
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Just so you don’t mess up the tracking, I would do some article work away from the track. Visual key at first, then hiding the article(s) before taking her out. Be careful with rewarding with the ball so you don’t get false indications or turning to look for the ball on the track. Make sure she understands she must down, and stay down, before she gets the ball. You can also use the technique of re-find and identifying the article while down before she is reinforced. Once you give her the ball on the track now, the tracking is usually over. Build on her finding more than one article before getting the ball. Then go back to tracking, building concentration for longer tracks, turns, jump-offs and finding articles, then reinforcement with the ball at the end. Maybe even having the ball (hidden) at the end so the reinforcement comes from the track. This can also be helpful to maintain motivation when the corrections start. Use various articles with human scent that are small and can only be found by using her nose.
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#4018 - 12/17/2002 11:36 PM |
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Thanks for your response Allan. She tracks pretty good.Articles are no problem we learned that along time ago. My biggest concern was the goodlooking methodical tracking for high scores.Getting rid of the slop.By useing the small caps in the tracks for articles and rewarding with the ball on them she is really looking hard in each track with more seriousness.She does use her nose no problem there.If she can see an article she bolts to it so I feel they need to be flush with the ground.And I cant put a ball at the end of the track ,did that twice a while back and she was like a race horse.I guess I was wondering what to concentrate on first (In the methodical tracking) ,making her except going slow or keeping her nose in the footstep.
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#4019 - 12/20/2002 02:04 PM |
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David : sounds as f you have the tracking down ok and now that you have taken Care to change the the way you track to get to your goal > Happy Tacking .Peter
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David : sounds as f you have the tracking down ok and now that you have taken Care to change the the way you track to get to your goal > Happy Tacking .Peter
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#4021 - 12/20/2002 04:08 PM |
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Thanks Peter, I will say I had to remove the ball reward I should have known that wouldnt last more than a few tracks.She gets so loaded over the ball that when pulling on the lead she would occasionaly go into would looked like a bark and hold.So back to food rewards.I sometimes mix in a grass track.Do you think thats ok or should I just stick to one or the other for longer periods. I can already tell it has really cleaned up her grass tracking.
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