I HAVE A 18MONTH OLD ROTTI WHO SHAKES THE SLEVE WHEN SHE GETS THE BITE.ANY SUGGESTIONS?

Is she biting full and hard, or is she chewing also? This is not a wierd thing for a Rott.

Yes, thats a common counter for Rotts.

Rott's just seem to like the shake on the bite..sure helps in tearing off the bad guys arm! Ouch! But seriously, just keep instilling calmness on the sleeve, in time the dog might not shake as much, remember to reward instintaly for a calm study grip, rather then rewarding for the shake. Your response to his/her actions are going to be the key in training a proper grip...if you reward for shaking (not knowingly) your dog will always do it, if you reward when the bite is calm and hard, he/she will do that.. sounds simple huh?

THANKS FOR THE INFORMATION.SHE HAS GOOD HARD FULL GRIPS.NO CHEWING JUST A LITTLE SHAKEING AFTER SHE GETS THE BITE.

If the grips are full and hard, I would not worry. The above post from Lonny B. will help if this is what your goal is; good luck.

Is she shaking while on the bite or when it is slipped?
If she's shaking on the bite, you can add pull and back pressure. Decoy is pulling and you're adding the back pressure. Then release, meaning slack and the second she isn't shaking, give her the reward - slip the sleeve to her.

She has nice full grips, but tries to "kill" it once slipped. She was never taught full calm grips and carry. I was wondering about going back to the basics for just a little while with prey bites, reel her in, hold her chin while she holds the sleeve calmly. My girlfriend has a 5-year old Rottie that shook the sleeve frantically and was told to just let him carry it and he would eventually calm down. Never did and beat her to death with the sleeve. She has trained her newest puppy differently, with full calm grips and he carries beautifully with no shaking.

I have a 2 yo Rott who has produced full grips within the past couple of months or so. He used to travel from the hand to the elbow, but we seem to have fixed the problem. Anyway, he will shake the sleeve when slipped and in carrying will take it to the ground and feast on it if I don't keep him moving at a very quick pace when carrying. After fighting that carry battle for months, I finally threw in the towel. My rational is this, when the hell will the dog EVER get the sleeve to carry in trial? It won't happen. Trying to get a nice, calm GSD carry was taking so much training time and adding unnecessary stress and conflict between us that negatively bled over to other things. All for nothing. Personally, I think of it as a genetic issue. Not one of weak or strong nerves, but one of breed genetics. Certainly some will argue otherwise. The point is, who cares. The carry is supposed to allow the dog to blow off some steam and relieve stress from the bite. Not so in my case. Now, after the bite, the sleeve gets slipped and he gets a carry to the point of taking it to the ground. As soon as he does that, I calmly out him and move him away from the sleeve. Admittedly, when you have a dog like this, a reliable, calm out is very important or you will be fighting for the out when he wants to kill the sleeve instead, thereby adding more stress and conflict. Good luck and don't be so concerned with a nice, pretty carry. IMHO, it's not that important. Haven't seen a point gained or deducted in a trial yet for a carry.

Keith :Q : what are you doing with your Rott? sport or PPD or something else like street work ? This problem is not just Rotts. When i see a dog get a bite,i like to see full calm grips, shaking has to do with fight drive and defence from the dog. And its hard to evaluate bite work with out seeing the dog work. What i like to do is once the sleeve is slipped from the helper i like to support the dogs head under chin and make calm after the bite and not fight.So maybe some more info would be good .Thanks Peter