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Tracking into the wind
#4064 - 02/02/2003 01:19 PM |
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I have a very soft little spayed GSD, 22 months old. Been tracking seriously for about 4 months.
She does really good with the wind, not bad with cross winds. Downs on articles nice, not always straight. But when I've started trying to make her corners easier by turning into the wind, she seems to be confused. Even lifted her head and air scented today. This was into about 17 mile per hour wind on a pretty dry field here in the midwest. Do I use more food to keep her nose down? Or will more scent of food cause her to air scent more? She only raised it once, I went up to her side and pointed to the ground and told her to "sook" and she did okay. I have food about every 15-30 steps and an article in mid leg, which was a new item, and my bad for using it on that leg as she paused, but had to be told "find it" before she downed. Thanks Cathy
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Re: Tracking into the wind
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#4065 - 02/02/2003 03:15 PM |
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Cathy,Maybe a silly question??? How are you laying the corners??? How does she work the corner without any wind??
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Re: Tracking into the wind
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#4066 - 02/02/2003 05:49 PM |
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Good questions I should have included. I still trench my corners, both 90 degrees and do serpentines. She is much better on the serpentines than corners. She is okay on other corners, but I had read that it was easier to teach a dog corners into the wind. She just plain doesn't do well when we have a strong wind into her face. And in Kansas, there is almost always going to be a wind on one leg. Thanks Cathy
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#4067 - 02/02/2003 06:59 PM |
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Sounds like a pretty common problem, particularly since you are "trenching" your corners - she is confused by the immense amount of odor being pushed at her by the wind. I don't think anyone knows for sure what the heck the dog is smelling, but I kinda picture the scent as a cloud or fog - if you trench in the corner, there's a large, heavy dense cloud of scent on and around the general vicinity of the corner. It's everywhere! I think it's easier for them if you walk your turn normally; that way, there isn't strong, diffuse scent 2-3' left and right of the actual corner. Of course, it's a given that YOU have to know EXACTLY!!! where the turn is, and don't allow her to make a big mistake. If she overshoots but immediately shows loss of scent, let her work it out. But if she raises her head or doesn't show that she's lost the scent, I would give a verbal reprimand, then let her fix it on her own.
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#4068 - 02/02/2003 07:51 PM |
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A verbal reprimand? Put a prong collar on the dog and yank her through the corners till she gets it right.
Or even better, a cattle prod to really motivate her. . .
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Just kidding, don't do that.
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#4069 - 02/02/2003 09:12 PM |
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OK!! I'll jump in here again. Should this dog be trying to do corners with 17 mile winds??
Has the dog worked corners with little or no winds??
Only tracking -4- months how well does she work straight line tracks and with how much intensity??
Will the dog work corners only, only after a short track in same conditions??
<img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" /> I have a trackinig coach to help me with my problems. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> Not everyone is as fortunate. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />
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#4070 - 02/02/2003 09:18 PM |
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Yup, I think the dog should be working in windy conditions for several reasons, Butch. First, like your situation, she doesn't have calm days, so just get over it. Second, I'm no fan of avoiding difficult conditions - however, I AM in favor of simply reducing your criteria when you know the conditions are difficult. That's why I said if she had trouble on the corner but did indicate loss of scent (showing she really is trying her best), then shut up and just let her work the problem out, no negative feedback. Only if the dog is oblivious to missing the corner would I simply say "uh-uh" or whatever is appropriate for the softness of this dog. Also note this is no puppy. Not that that really matters much, but her ability to stay focused on a task, even a relatively new one, should be decent.
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#4071 - 02/02/2003 10:37 PM |
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Cathy : understand the conditions there and have done tracking ,lots in windy conditions,but the more wind and more you dig the corners in the more food you use the more the scent is carried by head on wind . Have to tell you as so many of us live in different places and have to deal with differnet kinds of weather conditions ,i agree with FH2 have to live with it ,and sounds as if your other components are coming togeather for you . Its not the amount of food you use but where you place it , begining of the corner around the corner ,think about the track and really place yourself in the dog postion and think about the wind changes. Peter
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#4072 - 02/03/2003 12:05 PM |
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Thanks for all the great help. She is only allowed to go slightly, like one step, past the corner,which I always mark with chalk, I know bad, or a clump of grass etc. I let her figure it out, and will alternate between food right at the corner and sometimes, in better conditions, 10-15 steps past the corner. She lifted her head mid-leg. I only went up to her head and pointed to ground telling her to "sook". She went right back to tracking. I like a certain person's idea of the cattle prod.LOL. Saw a dog ruined when someone thought all dogs should be forced to the article. Dog wouldn't go past the judge the day of the trial. Thanks again. Since this is probably going to be her only "thing" in Schutzhund I don't want to ruin it.
CH
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#4073 - 02/04/2003 03:25 PM |
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Cathy : just be calm and she will get it ,if allowed to work some of it out by herself ,as i said you are doing some postive things in the components of tracking ,hang in there.Peter
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