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				How do you start training the Aritcle/Object protection?  
I could see if it was his toy or his food bowl, he has made a claim to it, but how do you get the dog to alert on any  certain article that U designate, for him to protect?  <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />								
				
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				Go to the table of contents. Click on Training articles. Follow it down to KVNP.								
				
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				Also done for the WH title in SchH - although you hardly ever seeing anybody get that title anymore.  <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />								
				
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				Only one club in the whole country offers the title, that would be my guess as to why. Who the heck wants to live in Ohio? lol...								
				
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				hmmm - I have seen the WH on a couple of flyers.  We are having a trial on Sept 11, and will probably offer it as a club member with a 7 yo Schh3 dog wants to do something with him - of course, although I do not live there, the club I train in is ALSO in Ohio								
				
 
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				Ive only trained one dog to do it and it went pretty good.  Ill tell you how I did it. Just started by breaking it down into steps. The first step was to teach the dog to go to the item to be guarded. That wasnt hard it was almost like introducing articles for traking. I worked on only that for awhile. Id go out and have different items ,like 3 or 4, and practice sending my dog to them. The dog would run to them and sit. I used food reward.After that I started working on the bite stuff. Put a long line and pinch collar on the dog and made it  sit while the helper walked back and forth and around. I made the dog maintain the sit and not bark.The dog got the bite when the helper reached for the item/object.That wasnt to hard to teach, so the next step was teaching the dog to release on its own and return to the object. Well I just used the long line on the pinch and when the helper pulled the dog out( I cant remember how far the rules say, but I knew then) I just gave a loud OUT and a big correction and would make the dog guard like we did in the beging of the training. I eventually stopped giving a verbal OUT and did just the correction. Eventually the dog started outing on its own and returning to the oject after alot of practice . Then ofcourse we had to go to the dog doing this with me out of site. Its not a hard thing to teach of you just break it down in to steps. Ofcourse it worked well for me because of the dog I did it with. I could imagine it being harder and taking longer with different dogs. But either way its still goes back to breaking it down and doing it one step at a time.Im no expert on it and not claimimg to be but I did it once and thats how I did it.								
				
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				Thanks Ladies&Gents! 
David how do you teach the dog to go the item in step 1, is it a send away and retreive, but you make him stay? This step seems to have serveral parts. Where am I going wrong?   <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />  
 
Here is what I see happening, I'm holding the dogs collar, I toss out the item (this makes him take note of the item). I release him he goes to the item & picks it up, I down him there, Out him, on the item. Its right in front of him, he in the down. Close but no cigar. 
 
Problem; The item is in front of him, instead of behind him. He picks up the item instead of circles it and downs, to protect it.
  
Like always (User problem) I did a search on KNVP it didn't turn up anything on article protection, I didn't search for Object protection. What is the "field term" used for this type training.
 
Thanks David I was able to immeadiately use your information. The plot thickens.  <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />								
				
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				Don, here's a link to a bunch of photos and general explanation of training the object guard exercise. I have seen the initial stages of the guard taught to 2 month old puppies with food. Even though the puppy is only working for food they are learning correct placement.  
 There's alot of steps to teaching the object guard. It could fill a couple of pages. That's probably the reason for the slow response to this thread. It's easy to not say enough.								
				
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				Scott I was just looking at the steps in the 1st part of the guard to get the dog to recognize the item and lay in front of it. 
I guess they scripted the photos out, Scott  so I didn't get an idea of how to train to get the responce I want. 
 
Scott, I don't want the entire whole routine just the 1st part of the inital send out and down in front of the item. Lets say I wanted the dog to protect an large item that can't be tossed out like a Motorcycle, how do you get the dog to alert on this item to protect it.
 
David's summary of how he does it gives me a lot info and ideas on how steps 2-3-4 are done.   <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />								
				
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				is this for a particular sport? and do you want the dog to be able to guard anything?  i would think a fixation command wouldn't necessarily work with a large object like a motorcycle because someone could come up on the opposite side. 
i am teaching the object guard by luring the dog to the object and giving him the command i want to use for this and rewarding the correct behavior, much like you would teach a puppy to sit.  for this, i found it similar to teaching dogs a target command in agility.  after they know to go to the object, then the placement command (sit, stand, ect.)  those are the pieces i have broken it down into, for that first step. 
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