I started this method with my personal pup on concrete first,the results were amazing! After he was doing short tracks on pavement and easily making turns I then started him on grass using traditional methods. After he became proficient on basic tracking, I used the method again on loose gravel, railroad tracks, drainage ditches etc: He tracks these surfaces easily and with confidence and will attempt to work out any problems with little to no frustration when encountering these surface changes.
Phil Dodson
Did you manage to find anymore literature about SIAB tracking than the three links I previously posted ? and would you know how I could contact Steve White ?
I will have to ask around, I know him from when he was the K-9 trainer for Seattle PD. I am on a few tracking sites and asked a few people who told me they had tried this method. After getting all the info I put together a lesson plan for my pup and gave it a try, needless to say I am thrilled with the results. If I can locate my notes I will e-mail them to you.
I will get up with a former trainer and try to get you a current E-mail address for him.
I had heard people just doing away with the t-shirt all together and using straight distilled water --- ie the water on the pavement /ground is enough to capture the rafts and start the decomp process........Any tried it either way.
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Actually I do that in the step after the scent in a bottle.Tracking is something that shouldnt be rushed in working dogs as well as sport dogs.Once the dog learns to put its nose down and follow a scent its just a progression of difficulty.IMO
Stop making excuses for your dog and start training it!
If you can send those training notes that would be terriffic. I have another P.D handler here in Cairns, Queensland, Australia, that is really keen to use this method with his new pup, and I'm very keen to try it with my current 3 year old P.D. If you have any luck learning of a contact email for Steve White let me know. All the email addresses I 've tried thus far have been old and the messages undeliverable.
Nancy, from what I have learned so far the SIAB method starts with the shirt and a high concentration of SIAB, then moves to a less concentrated SIAB, before then using distilled water only which apparently aids in the skin rafts ect. adhering to the surface.
I agree with Dave, the quick way isn't always the best way with dog training. Especially with tracking.
I did send an email to the Seattle Police Department but haven't had a reply yet. From what I can gather Steve has been conducting lectures at Karen Pryor's operant conditioning seminars so you may be correct in saying he is out of law enforcement.
I am in Cairns with Tony and keen to find out more about the SIAB methodology. As Tony said, any notes, ideas, comments etc would be greatly appreciated. So far we can find nobody in Australia that has heard of the method let alone tried it.
One question bugging me though is why you didnt continue SIAB on grass?
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