I always thought PETA was goofy....but this video attacking Alpha Rolls takes the cake.

http://www.peta.org/alert/automation/AlertItem.asp?id=734

I just got done watching it and I have to agree, the dog IMO was out of control, and not paying attention. The officer/handler definately had his hands full, and I probably would have done the same thing-even though I do not agree with Alpha Rolls-I don't really see too much he could have done differently, but I do feel he should have stepped away for awhile because he was getting frustrated. PETA should find something better to do with their time other than video tape things like this-LAME

How old is this video?

It gave me a new found respect amd admiration for the Malinois, that was as an excellent little dog all that tossing a fliping and he didn't bite him once.

My GSD would have bite his hands his least of course his skinny ass couldn't throw a 90 lb GSD around like that. Of course my dog would have heed his command to out or stop, before this started. I don't remember if he gave a command, I don't think the Alpha roll was not in order, I think calming strokes/petting with smoothly and or a down saying "Its Ok". Would have been better. But who am I. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />
I'm not a professional trainer. Tough ass little dog with super self constrain, like I said a new found respect for this breed.

The little tough ass dog just kept sliping out and it never broke his/her spirit, he just kept directing his energy at the other person on the opposite side of the leash. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />

Tough ass little dog with super self constrain, like I said a new found respect for this breed.
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I didn't see any reason to Alpha Roll and a weaker/stronger dog could have been ruined by this or bitten a hole in his face.

That trainer is lucky the dog didn't turn him into a eunuch!

Seems to me a better way to approach this would be with a leash and prong collar controlled by a second person, but perhaps that's not as appropriate for police work training as it is for Schutzdienst.

That was crap training if you wanna call it training. This is what I hate. You sometimes see people or cops try to take a dog and try and train the end result with out taking the time to train all the steps in the process to get the dog there.This dog would not maintain as much as a sit while a ball rolled by. So why are they trying to get it to maintain under these circumstances, wich brings me to the next point. Does any body know why exactly this dog was getting thrown around. I say thrown around because this was not a correction of any type. Was he trying to roll the dog for not sitting? The dog was never taught to control its drive to get what it wants also. So you got somebody creating a battle and not performing a correction. The reason I ask does any body know EXACTLY why the dog was being corrected is this, if somebody watching doesnt know why you can be sure the dog doesnt know why either. This guy is training his dog to be a spaz because who ever is in charge of the training doesnt know much about dogs and is probably getting paid a descent amount of money to over see this training once or twice a week. These guys should stick with labs for narcotics because they dont seem to understand much about high drive working dogs. I mean a correction should be instant not something that last for a minute that also involves chasing a dog around. Im obviousely not a fan of alpha rolls. These people are training conflict and stress into their dogs because they never trained any foundation in the dogs( or dog).
Did you hear the trainer in the back ground say "Do it again, he thinks he won!",,,,oh man.

PETA said the tape was from last year. In looking at the tape it apears that they are at the pistol range. The trainer is heard to say "dry fire it". My guess was that the dog was reacting aggressivly towards its handeler during the live fire excercise. I've seen this before with titled dogs who's only exposure to gunshots was from the decoy in the protection routine.

I understand that the behavior they were attempting to correct was that the dog would get excited when he saw the officer's service revolver.

I agree Dave... even if you were a fan of Alpha Rolls.... there's no way that dog had any idea why he was being corrected after that long into it.

Lisa you did not watch that clip - the guys dog bit him. Bottom line is ALPHA ROLLS are dangerous and if you watch this video clip you will see how easily someone can get bit doing it. I know of a lady in CA that had over 100 stitches in her face doing this. Too bad more PETA people don't try it.

Ed, I saw the bite(s). Though the video was the size of a postage stamp and hard to see, it looks to me like every time the officer draws his weapon, the dog nails him on the arm. In my previous post, I was referring to this statement from the WJZ article "Police say the training methods were tough, but not inhumane. They also argue that the rough handling was an attempt to break the dog of the habit of getting excited every time the police officer drew his gun.". <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />