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#40577 - 07/11/2002 11:01 AM |
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Ok, strange little thing that has been going on with Gunther since the seminar and I need some other ideas. Gunther was flanked for not outing, which cured that problem, but now whenever we stop or if I ask for a sitz or a platz he will out as well.
He is not chewing at all on the toy or the sleeve and will come into my arms, but drops the sleeve/ball.
I tried just ending the game when he would drop the ball hoping that may convince him if he wants to play he better hang on to it next time, but that isn't working either.
So, all I can think of at this point is to grab the cord and add a little resistance to the ball. When I did this last night he didn't out automatically on me... so I am wondering should I do the same thing with the sleeve? He is holding nice full mouth grips and doesn't thrash so I suppose things could be worse, but I don't like this automatic out crap either.
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#40578 - 07/11/2002 11:59 AM |
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oh come on people... I know you are out there... talk to me...
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#40579 - 07/11/2002 12:21 PM |
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From what I gather from Bernhard he would have the dog on the sleeve and give a split second stop and then move again. He would eventually work up to where he would stop and the dog would not out til the command was given.
You are on the right track with the ball playing. I would stop with him in my arms for a nano second then tug on it. Make him think if he has a weak grip or let's go it's yours <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />
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#40580 - 07/11/2002 12:43 PM |
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Thanks Karmen,
The sleeve issue is a little different since he is so young he isn't outing on the sleeve yet. It is when we are done with our cirle he spits it out as soon as we hit "the spot". I think he knows the sooner I spit this out the sooner I get to bite Harry again... sadistic little craphead...
Maybe altering the amount of laps I run with him might help? They have just been having me run one circle with him in the carry... god knows more than one wouldn't hurt me any. I understand routine is good, but he isn't clueless as to what is going on either.
Just a thought...
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#40581 - 07/11/2002 12:48 PM |
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Yes, vary the routine. Only do one out every other day for a week. Also, try grabbing the rope before you even stop to add resistance to it. It may be awkward but try putting him on the other side of you so you are in a new 'spot' run the circle the other way for a couple days. Anything to make him think and change it up.
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#40582 - 07/11/2002 12:54 PM |
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oh god... now I am getting confused... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />
Ok, in OB we do not have a routine, nor a spot, and I haven't "outed" him since we came back, he has been on his own. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />
It is the protection aspect where we have the routine going, and that is at the direction of my rather stubborn, but experienced decoy... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />
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#40583 - 07/11/2002 02:01 PM |
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I have a question for you, just to know where you are coming from.
Why do you want the dog to hold onto the sleeve after you stop running? Do you need him to be more possesive of the sleeve than he already is?
The helper... Experienced or not, you run your program. Experienced does not mean anything other than he has been doing it for an amount of time. Now your helper may be great in some eyes, but I'd have to ask why he flanked the dog to out. Were you having horrible problems getting your dog to out? What brought the flank on?
(you and I are having exact opposite problems, kind of funny to read this when I'm having to put on my bite pants, jacket and leather gloves to teach my dog to out after he's won the sleeve, or a kong for that matter.. )And, no, my dog has not broken skin on me, but until I know he wont change his mind I'm sticking with the padded cloths and the near by baseball bat.
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Deanna... I had the same problem with the ball for a while but fixed it with a little gadget that I made up.
It looks like a "mini-flirt stick"... I attached about 3 feet of kite string to the end of the rope that is on the ball. The other end of the string is attached to an 8 inch dowel or stick.
Play ball... tell him to sit... drop it just like normal but hold on to the stick with the other hand.
As you give the command to sit or platz etc... give little pops or tugs on the ball with the stick / string... or just keep tension on the string.
If he looses it... make the ball "come alive" (move quickly)... pause for a moment to build frustration and start over.
It won't take long for him to learn that he MUST grip the ball when sitting / downing or he will lose it.
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#40585 - 07/11/2002 02:20 PM |
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Hadley, it would be easier for me to direct you to buy the video than to explain all that.
So far as the flanking thing... that is on the video as well. My club helper doesn't do that... he prefers picking the dog up and letting them choke themselves. Just different strokes.
Kinda looking for answers from people who know the Flinks method well.
Anyway.. gonna try variation a bit tonight at the club. Thanks Guys. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
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Deanna... I'm sending you a pic of the mini-flirt stick that I use with the Flinks method. For me... it works incredibly well.
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