Can anyone tell me if there is a site dedicated to exposing bullshit breeders who goal is to deceive buyers. I recently had an experience with a breeder who had me drive 400 miles round trip only to find out he doesn't know a damn thing about dogs other than what he is told. My opinion is that he purchased poor dogs with titles and threw them together to have pups to sell. It's a long story but one I willing to share.

I don't know of any spots on the web, other that Ed Frawley lists the people that ripped him off.

Where abouts is this kennel/breeder located?

What promises did they give you to get you to travel that far in the first place?

Bosederhund:

Of course we're all dying to know, but this could be a very touchy subject from a legal point, i.e. slander, etc. I don't know if I would want to go there.

There are pleanty of bad guys in this busness (like Derrick Chestnut out in New jersy) Guys that should do prison time because they are nothing more than liars and thieves. There are also plenty of beginners and plenty of dummies (not one in the same here I may add) I am not sure that this is the place to name names. I have no problem naming names the way that I do because I have personally been cheated by these people. But I am not willing to let people name names on this list when it may get down to "HE SAID SHE SAID".

I recently visited a site that rates kennels/training centers as commercial, show lines, working lines etc etc etc.

I think the address is realgsd.net or realgsd.com - something like that.

If breeders in your country are anything like here (Australia) then the majority of them are out to make money only. Here, the majority of breeders choose the stud dog soley on how many (conformity) championships the dog has earned. They have no idea of working ability, even basic obedience is beyond them. They all advertise "great pet, show or guard". Yeah right.

I know this is the wrong group for this, but here goes anyway. The purpose of breeding should be to improve the breed. We complain that the "show" people only breed for conformation. But are we any better if we breed only for working ability? Are we creating a better dog if we breed prey drive so high that the dogs are not fit for a home situation? Is it a better dog if you can't tell what breed the dog is? "Yeah, but it works really well!"

A better dog is a balanced dog. A dog that can function under a wide varitey of circumstances. Conformation is as much a portion of good breeding as working ability. The GSD is a prime example of this problem. There are now 2 or 3 essentially different "breeds" of GSD. It has gotten to the point that the breed chacteristics are completly different. Have we created a better breed of GSD by creating several different "breeds".

I just went through the same argument on another list from the other side. Several people can't figure out why their working breed dogs are defensive and aggressive with strangers. The dogs have never been taught the "rules". As a result of this type of behavior some are talking about "softening" the breed. They don't see this behavior as an integral part of the breed.

It is easy for any of use to become narrow minded and tunnel visioned about our dogs. But are we doing the breed a service if we end up with seperate "working" and "show" lines. I don't think so, but it takes much more work to select for good conformation as well as working ability, but it can be done.

The conformation breed/working bred debate is a old one. Like the other guy from australia comments, in this country it is virtually all conformation breeding. If you ask most of these breeders about a pup suitiable for schutzhund/ppd etc. they'll either tell, you of course it can its a GSD, rott, or they'll tell you they dont sell pups to people like 'you' and hangup.

My personal view is FORM FOLLOWS FUNCTION. If the animal can do the things that it should be able to do then it will look good. If it can run 20 kilometers, fight a man, track, pull a load, retrieve ducks, muster sheep ,be a stable family member etc. then it will look good.

If it can do these things and you still feel it dosent look good then the fault exists in your mind not in the dogs appearance. Better you change your distorted view of reality than you attempt to change a breed of dog to fit it.

A good example of this is race horses, the one sole breeding consideration is the horses ability to run. They don't care how it looks, but how many ugly horses have you seen in the winners circle at Saratoga or Belmont of Flemington?

The same could be said of racing greyhounds. Conformation dosent come into it, as long as it runs and wins who cares if it has two heads. But they dont have two heads because two headed dogs dont win races.

Breed standards puzzle me,who decides what they should be,100 years ago the GSD was not as it is today and what was a Rott like 2000 years ago when the Romans had them.
Its the money market that decides the standard,what sells is what is bred,not what is best for the breed.If it was not for this we would not have so many strange breeds.