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A thought on prey items...
#41008 - 12/25/2004 09:36 PM |
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Hey folks,
My wife did a cool deed and got me the Drive/Focus video for Christmas.
I'm entirely new to dog training but I had a thought. Do you think using an animal carcass or tail or something along those lines might be more effective than a rubber ball for increasing drive in a dog?
The only thing that made me think of this is. Dogs are smart, they know a rubber ball isn't a piece of food.
A guy like myself might think that by mixing something that has the potential to be food (i.e. actual carcass/skin/tail etc) it might bring food drive into the entire scheme of things.
It may be a totally retarded idea, but I just thought I would toss it out to the people who are very knowledgeable on this stuff and see if you had any insight.
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Re: A thought on prey items...
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#41009 - 12/26/2004 12:44 AM |
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You asked for it, yeah I think it is really a retarded idea <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> It is the movement of the item, if you can make it moving away from the dog, or try to get away from the dog then it is a prey item, ball on the string is great because you can control it that way, the tail of a dead animal won't last 1 bite, then you have to go find more dead animal. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />
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Re: A thought on prey items...
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#41010 - 12/26/2004 01:16 AM |
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Yep, I'm with Khoi, its a dumb one. Watch the video a few times,. Bernard knows what he's doing. A kong on a piece of rope works very well too. I will play tug o' war with the dog when he gets the kong, he loves it and wants it even more.
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Re: A thought on prey items...
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#41011 - 12/26/2004 02:00 AM |
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Well, everyone else is calling Ken dumb, but I'm going to point out that he put some thought into this, and on the surface, it makes some kind sense.
I've actually witnessed a pretty good handler experiment with using live mice as a prey item to build drive in a dog about six or seven years ago. Bizzare yes, but the thought pattern behind it was just inexperienced, not stupid.
This is how beginner's learn. And notice that Ken prefaces his ideas with a little fore- thought.
So yes the idea doesn't work, but someone put some thought behind it.
For the record, the ball-on-the-string *does* work. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />
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#41012 - 12/26/2004 10:07 AM |
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Thanks for the input folks.
I think I do understand that prey drive is not dependent on the prey item being edible. Dogs chasing fast moving items is kind of like a moth to a flame...
I guess it was a little naive of me to think that this idea had already been thought over proved ineffective. I apologize.
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#41013 - 12/26/2004 07:50 PM |
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<img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> ROFL <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />
Will, think how much focus work you could of achieved with Fetz, if only he hadn't eaten that squirrel!
I can just see myself scanning the streets for road kill. Thank God for tug's & balls! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />
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#41014 - 12/26/2004 07:58 PM |
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Works for terriers. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />
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#41015 - 12/26/2004 08:22 PM |
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In having fun with the dog..and building prey.Utilize water instead..If the dog has any type of prey sense..they will follow the direction of the water coming out of the hose.
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Re: A thought on prey items...
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#41016 - 12/26/2004 08:58 PM |
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I'm glad everyone got a kick out of it. Although I don't really feel like what I said was that ridiculous. I could be mistaken, but I thought that carcasses were used for coon dogs and whatnot.
I just thought that by incorporating the food drive in this type of training that it may be possible to see even better results. If the dog has fairly good prey drive and also likes food, what if he was not only rewarded with the prey item but also food?
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#41017 - 12/26/2004 09:31 PM |
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I think the animal carcasses used in hunting are used for scent discrimination, not drive development. Then when the dog understands what he is supposed to chase, you can then break him from chasing trash (unwanted prey) on the hunt. Might work for guys, too. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />
I do see what you are saying, tho. However, the end goal for the two different drives are not the same; prey, the drive to chase, kill; food, to fill the belly. If you try to use both, I would think (just thinking here) the net effect would be diluted, not magnified, (I assume you are not talking about live prey, perched on you shoulder). No one drive goal is satisfied in a manner that is consistient with the goals in teaching drive and focus. Plus, you DON'T want your dog jumping around with a full belly. Could get bloat.
Did this idea come to you watching the dvd, the part where Bernhard uses the same prey movements with a piece of food for the Bouvier who had no prey drive, but good food drive?
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