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#41504 - 01/02/2003 08:18 AM |
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My GSD pup (5 months) is a real butt to my older bitch. He initially seemed to me like a regular playful pup, but I noticed after a while he was maybe a little more ... insistent in his demands on her.
He is real bad about never giving her a moment's peace. She did the warning snaps quite often, and these got him very excited (barking, leaping on her, etc.) Despite my efforts to intervene, she has landed a couple teeth on his nose several times in the past weeks, (drew blood) and even though he yelped and jumped away, within 30 seconds he was back, torturing her. I have been seperating them and giving them each one on one time, but I hate to see this.
He allows her no toys when they are in the apartment together. I have taken toys from him when he does this and given them to her. He HATES this but won't challenge me, but stares intensely at her, and she refuses to take it back. Any treat she is offered he will shove her out of the way and if I am not holding the item tight, will try to snap it away from me. We don't have this issue if he gets the treat first-he is content for her to have second offer.
Now that I am keeping them seperated, she seems a little more relaxed, but he goes absolutely NUTS when he sees me doing something with her, even just taking her outside for a pee results in barking and woofing like you wouldn't believe.
He is starting now to bark like an idiot at other dogs as well-uncontrollable, unsoothable barking.
My local schutzhund guy advocates minimal socializing for prospects until they are a year old, but heck-Princess and I LIVE with the puppy man. This stuff must stop.
I am beginning to have a sneaking suspicion that my sweet marshmallow pup is possibly what is termed a "hard" dog. Maybe I am just too new to working dogs, they are all like this as pups?
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Re: is this normal
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#41505 - 01/02/2003 09:30 AM |
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Why on earth dogs your "schutzhund guy" advocate minimal socialization??? This is the frist time I heard that. Sounds to me like puppy man needs a TON of socialization. Especially around other dogs. How can you expect to train him on the Schutzhund field (or any where else for that matter) if he is spending his time barking at the other dogs?
This is MY opinion. (Others may well think I am crazy.) If the little monster (NO offense) wont leave her alone, put him on a leash. Seperating them at times is also good. But it sounds to me like your living situation is going to be pure h*ll (for you AND your bitch) if he doesn't learn to leave her alone. Good Luck.
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Re: is this normal
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#41506 - 01/02/2003 10:18 AM |
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Check out all the stuff on this site about raising multiple dogs and dog aggressive dogs.
You can find it under "training articles" over on the sidebar and you can also type those phrases into the discussion search and see how others have handled these problems. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />
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Re: is this normal
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#41507 - 01/02/2003 12:03 PM |
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I am keeping them closely supervised for now.
The more I read, the more confused I become. Do I expose him to more dogs (more PetMart, perhaps puppy classes?) or just work through this with corrections and time? I do think more and more that the pup is a dominant and hard dog, but he is a big lap dog as well-do they go hand in hand?
The pup is a big-time sweetie, loves cuddles, etc., although he thinks they are best enjoyed while chewing my body parts.
I am, however, not a cuddly soul, much prefer wild play, work, or quiet time. I get irritated when he leaps on my lap when I am reading or working and trys to crawl into my chair. I am mad when he makes frequent wild dashes into the "forbidden zone" of the bedroom and flings himself upon my bed.
How hard can my corrections be? Shaking him by the neck and yelling is as mean as I've been-and I feel like I've done this alot. He screams like hell when i do it too, so my neighbors think I beat the little guy.
I had a friend tell me, the reason I have these issues is because I'm trying to make a "hate dog" out of a "love dog". This is absolute bunk but it doesn't help me feel better and I suspect the pup is trying to take over my home.
I am going to Flinks this month-should I wait til the pros see him to get a prong?
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Re: is this normal
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#41508 - 01/02/2003 08:26 PM |
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I'm probably going to "catch some flack" for this reply but here goes... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
Interfering with the bitch disaplining the pup is causing more problems than the intended salvation.
Let the bitch teach the pup the "rules" and be done with it. Corrections from her in dog terms and dog language will teach the pup the necessary social skills that the pup is lacking. So..she may get in a few nips on him..he deserves it! Stay out of it.
By giving the pup the treat first; you are promoting the pup to a level above the bitch. This will only cause resentment..
Socialize, socialize, socialize!!!!!! Forget about "hard" vrs "soft". Obedience training should have begun the day the pup came home..if it hasn't..start it NOW! Including sit, stay, down and practice, practice, practice!!!!!
If he's misbehaving and screaming in his crate; get out the water bottle and blast the little bugger! The pup is behaving like a spoiled brat! Nip it in the bud now!
No matter what you have your sights set on for this pup..a well behaved, mannerly dog can achieve any goal that he/she is capable of. A poorly disaplined and ill trained dog can only spell disaster.
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#41509 - 01/02/2003 09:08 PM |
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I was going to stay out of this but after reading what Barbra wrote I cant.I would say her advice would work good if you were raising a pack of wolves.If you continue to let the pup attack her you are teaching the pup that dog agression is OK letting the bitch correct him is like teaching the pup to be careful around other dogs you might get a correction and if your pup is a domonant kind of dog then he will take it upon himself to beat another dog to the punch and show his agression before they give him a correction.
If your planning on making this a sport dog in the future you need to be in control of the situation at all times.Sounds like your pup is becoming more dog oriented than people oriented wich is what happens when you let them interact in an uncontrolable enviroment.You need to be working on your obedience.If they can hang out some without dominating each other that would be OK but remember your pup should be into you not the other dog.If you want your dog to be a sport dog you want it to be something different than what the natural course of nature is telling it to be.You want it to be a working partner for a human.
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#41510 - 01/02/2003 09:23 PM |
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David..re-read the original post and my reply..raise a pack of wolves??? Where did that come from?
So..you don't believe that obedience training, socialization and a water bottle will help in addition to NOT giving in to this demon pup?
People cause more problems between the socialization of dogs than the dogs do themselves.
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#41511 - 01/02/2003 09:58 PM |
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I have read the original post and your reply.I disagree with you.He states in hthe original post that his dog is involved in constantly pouncing on the bitch and being corrected by her also and now the pup is showing agression towards strange dogs too.Your reply was let nature run its course and stay out of it. In my opinion thats bad advice.The bitch doesnt pounce on the pup so teach the pup obedience and keep him out oftrouble that way and at the same time the pup learns how to be around another dog with out acting like an idiot.If the pup is in a down stay while the other dog is loose in the house he is also learning that you are still in control of him even though he wants to get up and interact with the other dog.Letting nature run its course is what happens in a wolf pack.I think if he wants his dog to be a sport dog he needs to get in control of the enviroment and start molding his dogs attitudes now and create a dog that is more than a dog that acts on its every whim and is able to overcome the natures call.Once again he wants a dog that is a working partner with a human!!
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uhhh, David a little FYI, Alex is a SHE <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />
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Sorry Alex,sorry Deanna! Hey man she once called me ..Dude!..in a PM. My bad! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
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