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#43063 - 07/31/2003 11:35 PM |
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I've been doing research on puppy selection, and have a few questions. I have seen some people claim that you should take the most well rounded dogs to breed from and and others say that parents that have extremely high fight drives and tend to have more civil agression will produce better quality pups for work. I know that high prey mals can become "sleeve happy". So does this mean I should look for a harder more "civil" breeding?
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#43064 - 08/01/2003 11:13 AM |
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if you've been researching then you probably came across something similar to this: that the dam actually contributes at least 60% to the genetic make-up of the puppy and some folks claim up to 75% of character due to the fact the pup is influenced by her in the first few weeks of life. also, if you find a really good stud dog, most likely you will find several really good bitches on his pedigree. hope you find the pup of your dreams. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
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#43065 - 08/01/2003 12:44 PM |
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I'd always recomend pups from well balanced dogs. By this I mean, dogs that aren't heavily dominant in one or a single drive, prey for example. I would tend to stay away from dogs that are incapable of working outside of prey- 'prey monsters', but don't equate high prey-drive with a lack of fight or defense.
Just b/c a dog has 'extreme' fight, doesn't preclude it from having 'extreme' or at least high prey drive. Actually, a main contributer to the hightened fight is probably the strong prey drive. Good nerve and stable temperament are even more important, as they allow a dog to 'handle' its drives. Just my 2 cents.
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#43066 - 08/01/2003 01:07 PM |
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Patricia,
all the genetic data I have ever read states that the Dam contributes exactly 50% of genetic information to the pups. It is the nature of DNA.
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#43067 - 08/01/2003 01:31 PM |
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Originally posted by MattMoore:
Patricia,
all the genetic data I have ever read states that the Dam contributes exactly 50% of genetic information to the pups. It is the nature of DNA. I agree with Patricia. While the genetic information from the female and male equals 50/50, the mother influences the puppies for the first 8 weeks of their lives. In my opinion, and after breeding GSDs, Dobermanns and Malinois for the last 14 years I can say a good mother can enhance the puppies genetic potential. Just like a good trainer can.
How many nice pups go to waste because the new owner lets the dog sit and the drives are never developed? The dog had the genetic potential but if not brought out it will appear that the dog is less than what it really is.
I look for an extreme dog to use in my breeding program...I want a good solid, bomb proof dfemale nerves-wise and an extreme male. Hopefully all the pups will be AT LEAST as good as the parents but hopefully you will get one or two that are better....only by doing the breeding can these questions be answered.
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#43068 - 08/01/2003 01:36 PM |
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and that may be right. i think what i read was making a case for the fact that she carries them, nourishes them and rears them. at any rate, the dam has a profound influence over the litter. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
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#43069 - 08/01/2003 07:31 PM |
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Wonderful,
Thats what I wanted to hear. Now about the puppy pick. Of course I would love to pick my new pup from the litter, but the specific breeding that I'm interested in (6 males out of D'jango x Tessa) I am 4th or 5th in line. Should I wait till next time or take whats left? I am not sure I will have the pick next time either.
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#43070 - 08/01/2003 10:01 PM |
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The "pick" puppy is different for most people. The puppy picked first is not necessarily the best. Hopefully it is the best for its new home, but it may not be the best for you. The only way to know is to visit the remaining puppies and see if they please you. If the drives are there and you like the temperament, don't have any qualms just because he wasn't picked first.
If none of the remaining puppies please you, then pass and wait until the next litter. Don't get impatient and take a puppy that you don't think will match your criteria. It is better to wait and get that "perfect" puppy.
Remember that just because your not first on the list doesn't mean you can't get an excellent dog. Everyone wants something different.
Good luck and enjoy your new puppy!
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#43071 - 08/02/2003 01:48 AM |
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if you have not already done so, take a look at the flinks puppy test. i saw him perform this test on a young female gsd imported just prior to the seminar. it's a really good test and worth a try.
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#43072 - 08/02/2003 01:56 AM |
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Originally posted by Charles Guyer:
Wonderful,
Thats what I wanted to hear. Now about the puppy pick. Of course I would love to pick my new pup from the litter, but the specific breeding that I'm interested in (6 males out of D'jango x Tessa) I am 4th or 5th in line. Should I wait till next time or take whats left? I am not sure I will have the pick next time either. Charles, I bought the 'last male' in a litter. Well... if he finished dead last I would love to get my hands on the others. LOL. He is an amazing pup. Ed loved him, Bernhard loved him, and from what I understand he is on the newest Flinks video from when I had him in FL at 13 weeks old. Don't worry about what 'number' in line you are if your breeder is good at picking the right pup for the right person. You could be number 6 in line and get the 'number one' pup, because the ideals are all different.
As for my 'last male' I wouldn't trade him for the world <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> He is everything I wanted and then some.
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