I have a bitch that I bred 2 weeks ago. Does anyone have experience with using no bark or e-collars on pregnant females?? I only need to use the bark collar occasionally,I use an e-collar on our daily hikes thru the woods as she will chase deer if we happen to flush them out. I have never heard one way or the other whether this may affect the pups. Anybody have any info on this??? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />

Cindy,

If I am hearing you correctly, that is a deep post/question.

Cindy wrote:

"I have never heard one way or the other whether this may affect the pups. Anybody have any info on this?"

jason:

I'll settle for anybody who has some theories on this.

For that matter when a pregnant mom is in a particular drive, are the puppies experiencing this as well?

Is working a pregnant female encouraged, or discouraged, and why.

Jason, you have broadened my thinking on this a lot.

I have worked other females in the past in sport work. Tracking, obedience and bitework. I basically modified the training to fun stuff just so "mom" didn't feel left out. No real serious stuff.

I guess I question the use of any kind of e-collar(ON PREGNANT ANIMALS) for several reasons. First, I wonder what kind of stress that may put on the female and like I said in my first post, she was only bred 2 weeks ago. If I am correct, the embryos don't even attach to the uterine wall til around 21 days. Could the stress of the no bark collar or e-collar cause reabsorption of the pups? I feel kind of silly asking this. It's not like I plan on taking my dog out and correcting her repeatedly for the hell of it!! She wears the collar as a control device in case of an emergency. (recall from deer!) I have worked in the veterinary profession (as a tech) since the mid-eighties. I don't feel like I am TOTALLY ignorant about dog breeding.

Anybody got ANY IDEAS??? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

This sounds like a perfect opportunity for you to get some serious bucks from a Gov'mt grant or some crap like that. Do your own study,
(vancamp) <----------Hire your own, very expensive/very well paid, research partners.

I'll help you BS Uncle Sam for 40%. . . .

I don't think that anybody out there has any idea what the effects of Zappers are on prego females or their pups. I DO think that there is some evidence that shows that severe stress will effect the female/pups. If your dog gets super stressed from being fried then I would hold off on fryin' em. . .

VanCamp Wrote:

"I don't think that anybody out there has any idea what the effects of Zappers are on prego females or their pups."

Jason:

I agree VanCamp. The dog in question couldn't even tell you if she could talk. I would error on the side of caution just in case.

As far as working a pregnant female in "comfortable" drives goes, I would say why not.

After all, doesn't a preg (wild) female still have to hunt etc... Who knows, maybe puppy imprinting begins earlier than we think. Just a thought <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

Weird. . . . .


Your creepin' me out man.

I think the key here is 'what stresses out a dog'. If your dog is used to a routine and LOVES what they are doing, I don't think that you need to stop doing it or limit it (within reason of cousre) if they are pregnant. In fact, if not doing it is going to increase the stress level for your dog, then that is likely to do more damage.

Do you think that puppies can FEEL the zap when it happens. . .?

This is buggin' me a little . . .

OK, not just a little. . .


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I agree totally with what Aiko says. I have always let the dog tell me when they are ready to slow down.

No.......my concern is not that the pups feel the ZAP, VanCamp.

If any of you out there have bred dogs that you actively work some of you may have experienced that the toughest, most handler hard female has a complete and total personality change when pregnant. I had a female that turned into an absolute marshmallow temperament wise when she was pregnant. I am more concerned about stressing the bitch. I have never seen or heard anything on this topic so since my female is bred it got me thinkin'.

We both enjoy our daily hikes in the woods and she runs and has a great time. The e-collar is almost a must if she is running off lead because of the abundance of deer.

I guess one solution would be to put the collar on, leave it switched off and take her on our normal walk and see if she tests me......she is a pretty headstrong female. I hate to keep her leashed because this is how she gets the majority of her exercise.

I would rely on fetching games to replace this but she is so driven for toys that she invariably hurts herself (or me)
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People who know me probably would say I am obsessing right now. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

Bzzzzzzzzzzzzzaaap

Just kidding Cindy I knew what you were getting at. I like to think of myself as a smartass, but my wife says that usually I'm just an ass. :rolleyes: