I really don't know much about this breed, can someone fill me in. I.E. working ability, drive, nerves, similarities to other breeds, success in schutzhund, etc..
Also, can someone clarify if this is a specific breed as opposed to a variation of a mal. I really haven't been aboe to find much info on the net and I'd like to learn a little.
I've heard from several very reliable sources that the best way to describe this breed is that they're almost EXACTLY like a GSD in their psychological characteristics. A hot GSD is the term I think used. Now there's GSDs out there I'm sure that are VERY hardcore. But since this breed is not known they're easier to find good prospects with not near the money it costs to get a top GSD.
I've heard that the Malinois is nothing like the GSD, not with their mental characteristics.
So I'd guess the best thing to think is a hotter than average GSD. (I know that there's plenty that are as hot as Dutch Shepherds) This is what I've been told, I can't say either way.
The Mal is one of the variants of the Belgian Shepherd. The DS is a "different breed"--and I use quotes because the shepherd dogs from that part of Europe (including, to a degree, the GSD) are all strongly interrelated.
A good website to check out is Deb Krsnich's Foxtal. Deb is an accomplished trainer and I've seen her compete (and take high in trial at SchH3) with her nice little DS "Sofie". You might want to e-mail Deb and ask her more about the breed--she knows as much as anyone out there.
The Dutch Shepherd we know the most about in the US is usually heavily bred to the Malinois. They exist in KNPV and Police circles for the most part. They are much like the unregistered Malinois from KNPV lines just have a different coat color. Often in a litter of DS you will have some Mals as well.
Now, don't confuse this with the Dutch Shepherd that is FCI recognized and is registered. These dogs are really pretty much show dogs with a written standard and aren't really seen in working circles. You can really raise hackles among the FCI DS enthusiasts if you do.
They crossed a german shep and a mal to try to get the best out of both worlds back in the 1800's. There is a website that has pics of older dutch sheps that basically look like a brindle german shep. I think the reason for them to breed is to get the calm head of a shep but the drive of a mal, but with my expirence and having owned all three breeds I would have to tell you they are more like a mal. They are very good in many things, and diff purposes. As far as sch. I think they would do very well. Hope this helps to answer your question.
I found a breeder and trainer of Dutch Shepards and Mals in Canada on the internet and I spoke too them on the phone the owners name is mike and his wifes name is petra they own Baden Kennels their just over the Canadian border by Niagria Falls.
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From what I've read on previous posts and heard the difference about Baden is the methods of training styles. I don't think the majority of the board is in agreement with their training. I've never met the man, I've only learned my training through here. I will say though that everything has worked to a T that I've learned here.
I don't think Baden K-9 is pro-Ecollar, that and some other stuff. Main case and point his methods aren't popular here. Like I mentioned, I don't know this group or anything about them, but I think that's where it stands.
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Baden K9, I don't think there are many worse dog people in this country than these people.
Show me someone that says they can teach 9 out of 10 dogs protection work using his "natural defensive drives" and I'll show you someone that abuses dogs. Plain and simple. . .
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