I have owned and followed this breed very closely for a few years now. Two varieties of the breed basically exist. The first is the FCI Papered Dutch Shepherd, the second being of mixed KNPV lines. FCI Dutch Shepherds tend to be smaller, far less Police Quality, and more sporty. The KNPV lines have plenty of Mals mixed in them to bring in Aggression and fight. Many people will say that there are distinct differences between them and Mals. FCI Dutch, and Mals are a world apart. Mixed Dutch and Mals aren't much different at all. If the Mixed Dutch are consistantly breed for Police KNPV, then the only major difference I see is color. There are so many Mals in the gene pool. For example probably the greatest Dutch Shepherd in recent years is ARRAS Pegge. His sire is a Malinois. I had an Arras daughter who was a Malinois. The difference is color.
I have a question about colors. A k-9 officer boarded his dutch sheperd at our kennel this weekend and this dog was brindle color with a dark almost black muzzle. Is this color a FCI pure dutch, or is this a mix dutch/mal color? When i first saw this dog i thought it was a brinde Mal. Is this color seen in pure Mals?
I might be wrong on this one, but from what I've seen, if you breed a Mal stud to a Dutchie bitch (or vice versa), whatever comes out of the litter as brindle is considered a Dutchie, whatever comes out "fawn" is considered a Mal. Although I've seen solid black Mals and a Dutchie bitch that was so dark she looked solid black, you had to look real close to see the brindling.
Yes, when breeding the two breeds together. If one has stripes it's a Dutch Shepherd. Fawn or dark with no brindle that's a Mal. Now if you see solid Black Mals. You either have Groendal or a solid black GSD in the equation.
From what little I've read, the Belgian sheepdog carries the dominant black gene. The GSD only carries the recessive black gene (there are two kinds of black genes). So, if it was a belgian sheepdog in the mix they could be very far back in the pedigree because of the dominant black gene (one black parent means black puppies).
"Dog breeding must always be done by a dog lover, it can not be a profession." -Max v Stephanitz
That's very interesting! So it may explain why a friend of mine who has a Solid Black GSD, doesn't produce that many solid black pups. But, would definately explain the solid black Malinois.
Jerry
I have a 14 month old Male pup sired by Nicky. At the same time I bought a female from the same litter that a girl in MD owns now. I am doing SchH with my pup and he is coming along real nice. From what I hear the female is doing real nice also. I brought them over when they were 8 weeks old. Right off the plane and onto my pant legs, hanging their at Newark Airport. Nice dogs! Did you know that Nicky won the Spring Championships, last years that is?
So I have a question then - a breeder friend of mine has 100% Dutch Shepherds. The dogs papered from Holland are 100% Dutch Shepherds; however, everytime he breeds one bitch, he gets the majority of the litter brindle and one Mal-marked one?
So I have a question then - a breeder friend of mine has 100% Dutch Shepherds. The dogs papered from Holland are 100% Dutch Shepherds; however, everytime he breeds one bitch, he gets the majority of the litter brindle and one Mal-marked one?
there are VERY few 100% Dutch shepherd lines that work. vastenow is the only one i can name off hand. if two of these dogs breed, they should only produce brindle dogs. the thing to keep in mind is when you say they are "papered", that doesn't mean they are FCI registered. just because they have a pedigree and a BRN number, doesn't mean they're FCI registered, and thus could have Mal in the mix...
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