Hi everyone!
I'm a newbie here, so if I ask a really stupid question please let me know(it won't be the first time)!
I have a 21wk GSD and was interested in getting him into some kind of activity that he would be suited for. This is the first GSD I've owned and I didn't know how much genetics played a roll in his temperment and abilities in certain activities.
I would post his pedigree, but I don't want to be laughed off the board on my first post :rolleyes:
The sire side has 4 Von der Wienerau and from what I've learn(don't know if it's correct) The most notable on the Dam side is Kimbo von Bisschofsheim and Zito Von der Noriswand.
Are these working lines?
Should I post his pedigree?
Or, are ya all sick of me after my question?
I just feel so small because everyone on the board seems to know a zillion things that I have know clue about.
I guess that's how I'll learn.
Thanks in advance for your patience!

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I am sorry, I can't help you with these bloodlines, although I am sure there is somebody that can here....

Please do not be bothered about asking 'silly' questions .... we were all total newbies to the whole dog thing at some point!!! Nobody is born with that knowledge, although some people like to think they are LOL

Just read and learn !!!!

Hi Muddypaws,

The dogs you are naming are German Show line dogs.

Welcome aboard! Sorry I can't help you unless it ends in Von Leerburg that is. LOL.

Muddypaws,
First and in concurrence with other posts, this board is designed and intended to be a venue for the INTELLIGENT exchange of information between dog trainers of all levels of experience. The old adage applies: there is no dumb question with the exception of that which is not asked. There have been threads closed for the malicious attacks on others on this board. I can assure you, Ed did not found this board for this purpose. Feel free to ask whatever it is you about which you care to know. Those that might make negative remarks will be delt with by the moderators.

You are welcome to send a private post regarding your dog's pedigree. Wienerau is a show or "high" line kennel. The founder of the kennel has passed, he was a former president of the SV and I am embarresed to tell you I forgot his name. Normally, I am more prepared before replying to a post. Significant case of brain fade on my part.

Anyway, your dog is best suited for sport work on the local level with VERY high potential for the conformation ring, according to the little I know about your puppy as it stands. You will find that his prey drive will be his strongest with minimal defensive drive.

In the early 70's when the difference beteen Show dogs and Working dogs was not nearly so polarized, Wienerau produced very nice dogs. As the separation began, Wienerau came to the forefront in the conformation aspect. Some schools of thought Hold Wienerua and Martin's brother's Kennel ( another name escaping me) were responsible for the division. That is subjective and I care not to get into it. Hope this helps.

Thanks guys and gals!
I'm just here trying to learn more about my dog and other types of GSD.
Yikes, I have alot to learn!!!!

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Originally posted by az trooper:
Wienerua and Martin's brother's Kennel ( another name escaping me)

Arminius

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You might be able to find pictures of a few dogs in the pedigree at http://www.tarheelweb.com/auster/pedigrees

Don't worry, I have a show line doggie too. We all have to start somewhere (I'm pretty new to all of this as well).

Muddypaws,
The two dogs you mentioned can be found with nice pictures on the following website
http://www.schafer.is/english/search
Kimbo Bisschofsheim is a VA Zamb vd Weinerau grandson, a VA Odin Tannenmeise son. Kimbo is a V Cello Romerau grandson on the bottom through his mother. Zito Noriswand is a Jeck Noricum son who is also a Odin Tannenmeise son. Nice show linebreeding, although some of those dogs also had FH titles. So yes, you have a showline GSD probably mostly prey drive. Depending on the age and foundation of your dog, a good trainer can help you channel the prey to get the most out of him/her.

Fret not, my first GSD was from strickly show/working lines (Arminius, Grossen Sand)
she is a fabulous bitch with awesome prey drive, very little defense. However, she has functioned
extremely well as a trained PP dog that I could take anywhere. Due to the PP training exercises, I have no doubt she would protect me if the situation arose. However, when it came time to retire her I wanted a dog with more defense, a sharper dog. I went with very strong working lines with correct conformation.

Since you are new to the GSD world, possibly interested in sport work, your dog may prove to be a very nice dog to learn and grow with. The working lines with extreme drives do take some experience. Learn with your dog and enjoy him as
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Nancy,
Thanks for that site info.
I traced Gus back to 1912!
Yikes!
I was told he couldn't enter the conformation ring because he has tufts in and around his ears.
I'm just looking for something else that would keep him active.
Kathy