My Male GSD pedigree his 1978 Great great great ... Grand father was VA-Canto-Armius to V-Dixie von Adelo.

Sometime brought to U.S.A By Heidi Hatfield, Colorado.

skip to the 1982
Great great ...grand dad
Zasko Von Moecheberg to Caprice Tic-Tac-Toe

skip to 1998

Canto is a showline dog. Here are some links: VA Canto Von Arminius Is this who you mean? Dixie von Adeloga I can't find a Zasko or Caprice. Could you post the whole pedigree?

This is a copy & paste from the website you sent me to.

VA Canto von Arminius
SchH3 Kkl 1
Sire Born : 18. August 1972

This is a working grade Schulthund 3 dog he was the 1978 Sieger. Being Sieger would make him a show dog, Sch H3 would also make him a working breed, from germany.

Could this website be lying, I'll research my paper work and see what it says. I had spoke with the person I bought my dog from and he had me write these names down and told me to asked about this pedigree line. Could the breeder be lying?

Thanks I needed that.

Arminius is a show line kennel. However, back that long ago it was less separated. We need more of the current dogs to make a good judgement. Also, one or two dogs does not a line make.

Ikor, clear your PM's. I can't answer you.
Ps. Yes it is Caris.

1453620 Zasko v Mönchberg, dob:3.10.78
sire:Lauser v Adeloga 1343875
dam:Betzi v Mönchberg 1353191

I have been told that a Sch3 is not necesarrily (spelling?) what it looks like on paper. Like Todd said, there was not quite the split back then though. It depends on what he was crossed with. What is the rest of the pedigree?
I think the website is just telling the facts.

This is the grouping of the 50s - 60's

Fix Zu den sieber Fauler
to
Aig Vom Haus Solms

Jalk Vom Fohlenbrunner
to
Dixie V.d. Wienerau

Candor V. Zollgrenzschutzaus
to
Yoga Von der Wienerau

Nico Vom Haus Beck
to
Ballade V. Huas Schuetting

Condor Vom Schnapp
to
Carmen Vom Sixtberg

Dago V. Schloss Dahlhausen
to
Tosak Sudetenstolz

Eko-Lans Morgan
to
Eko-Lans-Glory

Quanto von der Wienerau
to
V Asta von der Modauquelle

Skip to 1987
Lauser Von Adeloga
to
Galewinds Ok Gan Eldan

The more I look at it this maybe show line of GSD. But every dogs has a Sch rating. Even after being imported to Colorado. This dogs does not have the angulation of the modern show dog, nor is he a Lassie. I'd say that he is a 8.5-7 temperment. I'll try to post a picture.

Thanks Just because it says Sch don't mean crap huh? I just started researching this stuff because I saw it on the board. He was almost a give away and he is not registered. I didn't buy the papers. But like I said a friend/associate sold him to me. Best small investment I've ever made.

Whats KKl1? This info is coming from a Certificate of Pedigree "Vom Baerenzwinger Shephards"

Stubby's Mom sorta answered it, in another thread? But she did say this is not always true.
KK1L is considered top breed and possible Show breed and KK2L working breed and Ok to breed, yet some faults. Why is the working dog considered flawed?????????

goodogu:

Here is a link you might like to review; it contains definitions of titles and other info given on a pedigree:

German Pedigrees

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Dogma

That was informative, thanks there seem to be more information out there about GSD, then there is on most people geneological background.

To all
So what I've found is that a dog that GSDs from a German working/show background can be watered down into a show dog once here in america. That even though both parents throughout his pedigree had Sch I - III back grounds in germany and in the USA they could still be just a show dogs.

So you can water down Sch titles throughout a dogs life, sorta like padding a record for a human boxer? I could see Sch I but not II and III.

And to punctuate this that the geno tree does not really matter as much as the dogs Sire and Dam?