Allison Brown wrote 01/21/2004 05:51 PM Info. on these lines... #48683 - 01/21/2004 05:51 PM
Allison Brown Webboard User Reg: 01-19-2004 Posts: 8 Loc: Offline	Here's another one, would like thoughts on a dog with these lines, just wondering what this combination is like (health, temperament, drives)... Rani von der Daelenberghütte Belschik von Eicken-Bruche (I've seen quite a bit of information on Belschik) Quana von der Maineiche (goes back to Xento) Asko von der Lutter Thanks <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
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Deanna Thompson wrote 01/21/2004 06:02 PM Re: Info. on these lines... [Re: Allison Brown ] #48684 - 01/21/2004 06:02 PM
Deanna Thompson Moderator Reg: 10-27-2001 Posts: 2261 Loc: Eastern Maine Offline	You can email Rani's breeder at rinus.bastiaansen@pandora.be he bred her, and then had her for a while before she was sold to the US. I believe David Puzzo had/has her now.
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John Haudenshield wrote 01/22/2004 07:56 AM Re: Info. on these lines... [Re: Allison Brown ] #48685 - 01/22/2004 07:56 AM
John Haudenshield Webboard User Reg: 07-12-2001 Posts: 447 Loc: Virginia Offline	Rani is a really nice female and was a super producer. David did own her, but placed her in a pet home after her working/breeding career. She is now 9-10 years old. I had the opportunity to see some of her offspring from breedings with Champ v Barenfang and Tell vd Daelenbergutte. A female out of Tell (Asia v't Vierselhof) grew to be a nice sport dog and a male from Champ (Cisco v't Vierselhof)a Police Dog in NC. There are a lot of other Rani offspring out there, some I know Rinus still has in his kennel. John Haudenshield The School for Dogs
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Lee Baragona wrote 01/22/2004 08:36 AM Re: Info. on these lines... [Re: Allison Brown ] #48686 - 01/22/2004 08:36 AM
Lee Baragona Webboard User Reg: 03-29-2002 Posts: 926 Loc: Offline	I've only seen two Asko vd Lutter sons, different mothers - they both had excellent prey drive, good looking....and nervy as heck. Both were insecure with people and new places. They showed it in different ways - one was shy and would avoid, the other was aggressive but from fear. Have no idea if this is common or unusual in his progeny.
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Lee Hough wrote 01/22/2004 09:57 AM Re: Info. on these lines... [Re: Allison Brown ] #48687 - 01/22/2004 09:57 AM
Lee Hough Webboard User Reg: 11-11-2002 Posts: 192 Loc: Offline	I train with a guy who imported 2 daughters of Asko - both OFA's excellent...he spayed and gave both away for exactly the same behaviors as Lee B. cites. He could have gotten them through the BH and the SchH1 on home field. I respect that he did not, as he stated that was just stackign the deck and the dogs were NOT good enough to be bred. Another dog I know is similar in nerves, and that dog's dam goes to Asko's sire as well. Lee Hough SG Kyra v Frolich Haus, SchH3, CD, KKL1 SG Kougar, SchH1, AD, CD - by V Xito v d Maineiche Fenja v Wildferdelande, SchH2, AD Bianka v Spitzbubezwinger, IP1 by Ufo v Guys Hof http://www.wolfstraum.net
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Allison Brown wrote 01/22/2004 10:53 AM Re: Info. on these lines... [Re: Allison Brown ] #48688 - 01/22/2004 10:53 AM
Allison Brown Webboard User Reg: 01-19-2004 Posts: 8 Loc: Offline	Thanks everyone for your honest information, that is exactly what I was looking for <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> Are there other lines out there that are known for problems? What lines are known for good temperaments with balanced drives, and good hips?
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John Haudenshield wrote 01/22/2004 01:48 PM Re: Info. on these lines... [Re: Allison Brown ] #48689 - 01/22/2004 01:48 PM
John Haudenshield Webboard User Reg: 07-12-2001 Posts: 447 Loc: Virginia Offline	To correct my previous post. Tell is a Rani son and was NOT bred back to him. I'm trying to remember Asia's sire now. Obviously not enough caffeine this a.m. Sorry for the confusion. John Haudenshield The School for Dogs
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Lee Hough wrote 01/22/2004 03:43 PM Re: Info. on these lines... [Re: Allison Brown ] #48690 - 01/22/2004 03:43 PM
Lee Hough Webboard User Reg: 11-11-2002 Posts: 192 Loc: Offline	Asia was by Nessel v h Antwerpa I believe...I talked to David when that litter was born...Asia was kept, sold, and bought back as owner was ill..supposed to be a super nice working bitch! She was not for sale when I talked to David. Tell produced 2 litters in Texas with terrible hips - same bitch - so maybe just a bad cross???...know a lady who has a neutered male with one good, one bad hip. Lee Hough SG Kyra v Frolich Haus, SchH3, CD, KKL1 SG Kougar, SchH1, AD, CD - by V Xito v d Maineiche Fenja v Wildferdelande, SchH2, AD Bianka v Spitzbubezwinger, IP1 by Ufo v Guys Hof http://www.wolfstraum.net
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John Haudenshield wrote 01/23/2004 07:29 AM Re: Info. on these lines... [Re: Allison Brown ] #48691 - 01/23/2004 07:29 AM
John Haudenshield Webboard User Reg: 07-12-2001 Posts: 447 Loc: Virginia Offline	Thanks Lee, you're right, it was Nessel. She is a really nice female, always impressed me. John Haudenshield The School for Dogs
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Lee Hough wrote 01/23/2004 10:06 AM Re: Info. on these lines... [Re: Allison Brown ] #48692 - 01/23/2004 10:06 AM
Lee Hough Webboard User Reg: 11-11-2002 Posts: 192 Loc: Offline	yes, that is what I heard from several people...I really wanted to buy her! Timing was never right though! Is he still training or has he bred her? Lee Hough SG Kyra v Frolich Haus, SchH3, CD, KKL1 SG Kougar, SchH1, AD, CD - by V Xito v d Maineiche Fenja v Wildferdelande, SchH2, AD Bianka v Spitzbubezwinger, IP1 by Ufo v Guys Hof http://www.wolfstraum.net
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