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DVG (greatest SchH Org on face of planet) VS. USA (booo hisss)
#50047 - 09/11/2002 04:56 PM |
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Lllettss get reeaadyyy to RUUUUUUUUMMMMMMBBLLLLLLLLLE!
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Re: DVG (greatest SchH Org on face of planet) VS. USA (booo hisss)
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#50048 - 09/11/2002 05:10 PM |
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The only major difference in the trials is the points that are given for grips. alos I find DVG likes a high animated dog in ob. (Like most Malinois) and the more correct not so drivey dog , will get banged points from time to time.
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Re: DVG (greatest SchH Org on face of planet) VS. USA (booo hisss)
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#50049 - 09/11/2002 05:20 PM |
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In this corner we have the challenger, DVG, weighing in at 357Lbs, a lean mean Schutzhund training machine. An up and coming MONSTER in the dog sport arena. . .
With an impressive growth record and long list of distinguished members having come over from other faultering groups.
And the current Champion, weighing in at 132lbs, USA, a group infected with a cancer of political corruption and show dog influence. I mean come on, they are the ugly, smaller, boot-licking, cousin of the SV (a once proud organization of distinction, but now a crippled and backward group of politicians and happy crappy jute repulsed show dog breeders/handlers/owners bent on eliminating the GSD as a real working dog. Shown by their complete disregard for both the traditional herding influence and the police K9 influences so vital for the breed to function as a working dog.)
Now, I wanna see a clean fight here (not). lol
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Re: DVG (greatest SchH Org on face of planet) VS. USA (booo hisss)
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#50050 - 09/11/2002 05:43 PM |
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I am disappointed that this has eroded into a 'who can beat up who' or 'my breed is tougher, more game, or more 'real' than your breed' type discussion. We better face the reality that all of the dogsports (SchH, Ring, PPDA, PSA, etc, etc) have more in common than they do different. By participating in these activities we can learn about the types of dogs we want around (real or otherwise), and then move toward that end with like minded people. These are all tools, and like any tool, unless its used properly, you won't get the desired result. With all of the respect I can muster, most K9 cops are better cops than they are dog trainers, let alone breeders. Its up to responsible civilians to learn what is required of working dogs, and keeping that goal in mind when training and breeding.
Sorry, I had to vent a bit.
I do understand that some of this thread is good natured jabbing.
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Re: DVG (greatest SchH Org on face of planet) VS. USA (booo hisss)
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#50051 - 09/11/2002 05:49 PM |
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It think you have made a turn for a gloves off fight! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" />
All jokes aside, you bring -up a good point. The purpose of DVG is to train working dogs. While one might argue that there is a compensation for grips as to not make members mad if some of the breeds do not display a full mouth grip (could this be that that really a dog does not have to bite-full to display good fighting ability?).......the SV and the have made a bigger compensation for the show dogs in order for them to get a title. While USA is a by-product of the SV I have not seen local club trials earn titles on dogs that did not perform an exersise. Some fudging maybe, but the dog has to do something to earn it's score. I have watched many dogs that were titled in Germany by SV judges and I am not in understanding how that got the title, with the level of performance that they display. I have not encountered this with the DVG dogs. Just my view.
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Re: DVG (greatest SchH Org on face of planet) VS. USA (booo hisss)
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#50052 - 09/11/2002 05:53 PM |
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Originally posted by John Haudenshield:
I am disappointed that this has eroded into a 'who can beat up who' or 'my breed is tougher, more game, or more 'real' than your breed' type discussion. We better face the reality that all of the dogsports (SchH, Ring, PPDA, PSA, etc, etc) have more in common than they do different. By participating in these activities we can learn about the types of dogs we want around (real or otherwise), and then move toward that end with like minded people. These are all tools, and like any tool, unless its used properly, you won't get the desired result. With all of the respect I can muster, most K9 cops are better cops than they are dog trainers, let alone breeders. Its up to responsible civilians to learn what is required of working dogs, and keeping that goal in mind when training and breeding.
Sorry, I had to vent a bit.
I do understand that some of this thread is good natured jabbing. And this is where the problem lies in a way. While it is responsiable for civilian breeders to know what they should breed, the police should be able to know and direct these breeders for the most part, not the other way around. THere are too many police dog instructers that are clueless in dog training. I am not saying that there are not some very knowledgeable trainers, but they are far and few between.
When a major city police department is in awe today on the proper use of an e-collar and muzzle work, something is wrong.
When you see the average Joe at a schutzhund club, out-handle and train a police officer who is a K9 handler this baffles me.
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Re: DVG (greatest SchH Org on face of planet) VS. USA (booo hisss)
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#50053 - 09/11/2002 06:51 PM |
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Mike, rock on brother!
I have a question, does perfect jute-to-ear grip judge truly a dogs fighting ability or nerve?
Just a question, I would like to hear opinions.
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Re: DVG (greatest SchH Org on face of planet) VS. USA (booo hisss)
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#50054 - 09/11/2002 07:47 PM |
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Could you explain the question a bit more Van Camp?
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Re: DVG (greatest SchH Org on face of planet) VS. USA (booo hisss)
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#50055 - 09/11/2002 08:44 PM |
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Which is ever in favor of producing the ideal working dog has my vote. If that's the DVG then I'm all for it.
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Re: DVG (greatest SchH Org on face of planet) VS. USA (booo hisss)
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#50056 - 09/11/2002 09:05 PM |
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Hi,
The only major difference in the trials is the points that are given for grips. alos I find DVG likes a high animated dog in ob. (Like most Malinois) and the more correct not so drivey dog , will get banged points from time to time.
I have an interesting information from an animal behaviorist named Krushinsky. He trained anti-tanks dogs during WWII. Anti-tank-dogs were trained to run under tanks with a pack of explosives strapped to their backs and remain there until the explosives could be detonated <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" /> . Krushinsky discovered, "it is a mistake to expect to find these dogs among the calm and passive types, instead they were all very highly arousable (excitable) and very active". This is a pretty extreme example of a working dog, but if the dog can run under a tank during a battle, I image that it must have been a bad-ass working dog. Maybe the DVG is on the right track awarding higher points to active dogs.
Robert
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