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#50118 - 05/04/2003 07:34 PM |
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Due to a cruciate tear (possibly) we are down for the count in schutzhund. But is has now been brought to my attention that I should pursue DVG. What on earth is the difference?
I try looking on the web, but all it turns up is schutzhund sites.
Your answers are greatly appreciated as I am still smacking from this latest limitation. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />
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Re: Schutzhund vs. DVG?
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#50119 - 05/04/2003 08:52 PM |
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Colleen, the DVG administers Sch for all breeds and mixes. If you are not able to train in Sch due to an injury then nothing will change for you in the DVG system.
Sorry to pass this info on to you as it sounds like you are trying to make the best of a bad situation.
Jerry Cudahy
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#50120 - 05/04/2003 09:53 PM |
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Colleen,
My Lab had an ACL tear in 2001. He had a procedure called a Tibial Plateau Leveling Osteotomy in November of 2001, and was able to return to work 6 months later. I think you would do well to find out for sure whether or not he has an ACL tear, and explore the surgical options. I would tend to agree that if you choose the traditional ACL surgery, he will be down for the count. But with the TPLO, I'd be willing to be that he would have a good chance of going back into training at 100%. Check into it for yourself and see what you think. It may not be all over.
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#50121 - 05/05/2003 01:19 AM |
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Lisa...that might be the BEST ADVICE I have had since the diagnosis.
I guesss I am trying to squeek the sport in, any way I can. Probably more for me..then the dog.
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#50122 - 05/05/2003 08:28 AM |
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Plenty of border collies have had TPLO and returned to extreme stress of agility - racing flat out, hairpin turns and constant jumping - so there's no reason a GSD couldn't do Schutzhund, which certainly is no where near as stressful on the stifle. Key is finding a qualified orthopedic surgeon who has a lot of previous cases under his belt, so he's not "learning" on your dog.
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#50123 - 05/05/2003 09:19 AM |
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Thanks Lee.
I guess my confusion is that this specialist, will not commit to saying it is actually a tear since it is so subtle (her injury), so that I am hopeful that in 3 weeks of just simple walking etc. she may be able to recover. I just don't want to be selfish and push the dog (upon recovery) back into a injury.
But at the same time, I am so bummed about possibly giving up a sport I have wanted to do for so long and now doing it for 4 1/2 months. now.
What other options are opened to me at this point? I know tracking....but I guess not even the obedience as it will require to jump 3 feet.
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#50124 - 05/05/2003 09:38 AM |
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My first dog had a partial ACL tear, not enough for anyone to definitively diagnose. Five months later, with it fully ruptured (and he was retired from working, only playing, swimming, jogging), they finally said yup, it's torn, and by then the dog had considerable arthritis setting up. If I had it to do over again, I would have insisted on surgery. But these days, can't they do an MRI to see for sure if it is torn? They do with people. Yeah, it's a pretty decent amount of money, but you'd know what you're dealing with.
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#50125 - 05/05/2003 12:14 PM |
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My regular vet made the diagnosis by checking the joint manually. He took x rays and sent them to the surgeon, and the surgeon was able to tell me by looking at the x rays that the ACL was only torn about 10%. Even at 10%, my boy was in a lot of pain, and arthritic changes were inevitable, so I opted for the surgery sooner than later. I was led to believe that the ligament would not heal, but would continue to tear over time.
Here is a link to a listing of qualified surgeons, if you're interested:
http://www.slocumenterprises.com/tplo_surgeons.htm
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I had numerous cruciate problems with a 5 yr. old rottie that I was doing competition sheep herding with. The first one went after a month of rest, did the xrays and all, no definitive diagnosis until it went completely. They said I could return to work about six months after the TPLO. Not so, the other side went 8 months later. After that, I said enough is enough. This is an 85 lb female running all out on rough uneven ground. It was too much. When the second one went, they couldn't find anything wrong with the joint, no movement, nothing. I cleared them to go ahead to do exploratory surgery to check the ligament, it was a partial tear. She went on to have a relatively active life until 10, but no more serious running, turning. Susan
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#50127 - 05/05/2003 04:01 PM |
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From what I've been told by orthopods, once one cruciate blows, the other is likely to go also at some point. They couldn't explain whether that was a function of some genetic predisposition or due to the added stress from bearing more load while the first one is out of commission.
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