Anyone own a Kuvasz?

How are they with respect to protection or guarding roles?

Curious,
b.

They suck, let me tell you why.

The chances of you finding a dedicated breeder that selects his breeding stock based on provable working ability are about the same as you winning the Powerball.

Genetics is more than half the battle when looking for a good working dog. If people have dogs from generations and generations of show/pet breedings it is assured that the dog is an emasulated version of what it should be.

I'd be willing to bet there are no working strains of the Kuvasz here in the US, or anywhere else for that matter. I have seen some Kuvasz-ish dogs in Hungary and Bulgaria that were great livestock guardians and good guard dogs, but those have been bred for the work for maybe 100s of generations. . .and I doubt they were pure bred or registered.

So on the other hand, in comparison, there are breeds that have been bred for generations for real working ability. Specifically protection ability. . .you can expect that a dog from a breeding like that will be able to do the work. The working bloodline GSDs, Dobies, Rotts, Malinois, etc. have all been bred from stock where working ability has been actively selected for generation after generation.

Just because a Kuvasz is a Kuvasz doesn't mean it can do what it says it can do in the breed description.

Just because a Kuvasz is a Kuvasz doesn't mean it can do what it says it can do in the breed description.

For a good discription of the herd guarding animals that is far better than the breed standard in the AKC propaganda look at the Copingers' book Dogs.
It will give you a thourough idea as to why the herd guarding dogs are not suited for training in protection or protection related sports.

Excellent info and tip... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Thanks,
b.

Trolling comment/ flamming.
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Will Rambeau
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I adamantly stand by my original post.

An emaciated beat-up three goat guarding mutt in a rescue changes my opinion, not at all.


Show me a dedicated bloodline of Kuvasz that have PROVEN themselves protecting humans from violent and dangerous humans and you'll change my mind.


Till then, as a protection work dog, I stand by the comment that "they suck".

Much better options out there.

A co-worker had two of them...........They Suck!

Bet they could kill a bear though in tooth to tooth combat . We went through this one some time ago here didn't we! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

I was lucky enough to go to the Kuvasz National Specialty show many years ago. I watched the Obedience competition pretty closely, and I meandered around the "look pretty" rings for a bit.
I like alternative breeds. I've done both AKC Obedience and SchH with oddball breeds like Old English Mastiffs and Airedale Terriers, and I've had fun while doing it. But I'v never had difficulty being realistic about a breeds faults.
What I saw at the Specialty Show definately cured me of any further ideas of ever wanting to own a Kuvasz - no thanks, I'll stick to breeds that can work, thank you.

I've seen some Kuvasz in my local Obedience classes work up to the level of CD Ob, but everyone of them displayed some aggression issues. And they certainly weren't fast leaners...

If you need "protection or guarding" , there are many breeds that have better protective instincts plus are more trainable than the Kuvasz.
Why putter around in a VW when you can drive a Lexus? Get a working lines GSD or a nice Mal and be done with it! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

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Will Rambeau - Mod.