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Rickey Rose wrote 07/31/2002 01:10 PM Avoiding Prong Collar #51420 - 07/31/2002 01:10 PM
Rickey Rose Webboard User Reg: 04-20-2002 Posts: 80 Loc: Offline	My pup is 6.5 months, has worn a puppy prong collar since 3 months, now wearing medium. He is housebroke, crate trained and started OB. He has always wore the prong collar when we go outside. I have not administered corrections using the prong, just his self-corrections. For the past few days he will try to avoid letting me put on the prong. He will come, but still tries to avoid putting the collar on. Last night he wore a drag leash, I just held the leash as I put on the collar, he pulled away. I was calm and did not make a bigger scene, but I did get the collar on. Followed by praise. How can I fix this and have where he wants me to put it on? He had always sat while I put it on, but now he avoids it. Suggestions please. Thanks.
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Deanna Thompson wrote 07/31/2002 01:18 PM Re: Avoiding Prong Collar [Re: Rickey Rose ] #51421 - 07/31/2002 01:18 PM
Deanna Thompson Moderator Reg: 10-27-2001 Posts: 2261 Loc: Eastern Maine Offline	Just some thoughts here... Does the dog wear another collar all the time? Clip the leash to it before you try to put the prong on... Is the collar properly fitted? If not, it can cause either undue pain or no correction value... Do you need the prong? I mean really need it? If not, put the prong on whenever you are going out, but don't necessarily hook the leash to it. Make sure the dog has fun with the prong on. If he associates that collar with boring or pain only... well, as you can see he will start avoiding it... My dogs get excited when they see(or hear) me pick up a prong... they know we are going some where or doing something fun....
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Lisa Swanston wrote 07/31/2002 01:30 PM Re: Avoiding Prong Collar [Re: Rickey Rose ] #51422 - 07/31/2002 01:30 PM
Lisa Swanston Webboard User Reg: 08-03-2001 Posts: 1588 Loc: Offline	Same here. My Lab avoided the prong at first, and tried to pull away from me the first time I put one on him. But, he learned after a time, that when I put the prong on him, we're going to go for a walk or go somewhere and "play" (train). You might check the fit, too. They can be damn uncomfortable if they don't fit right. Lisa & Lucy, CGC, Wilderness Airscent Western Oregon Search Dogs
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Bob Scott wrote 07/31/2002 01:48 PM Re: Avoiding Prong Collar [Re: Rickey Rose ] #51423 - 07/31/2002 01:48 PM
Bob Scott Moderator Reg: 06-14-2002 Posts: 7417 Loc: St. Louis Mo Offline	The collar has to be associated with a good time. When a dog starts avoiding the collar,prong,choke(training), whatever, he is telling you something. It could be discomfort, over training, etc. The biggest problem I have seen is overtraining. old dogs LOVE to learn new tricks
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Butch Crabtree wrote 07/31/2002 03:02 PM Re: Avoiding Prong Collar [Re: Rickey Rose ] #51424 - 07/31/2002 03:02 PM
Butch Crabtree Webboard User Reg: 01-14-2002 Posts: 966 Loc: louisiana/texas Offline	Ricky, are you using the rubber tips that cover the end of each prong. It is much easier on a pup. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> This willl allow you to have the pressure distributed equally around the neck without the tprong tips touching the skin. With a pup this young you have to be gentle, even when only pup given itself corrections. Give this a shot and see how the pup reacts. Remember to stop training before pup gets bored!! Butch Crabtree kennel vom Avoyelles
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king dobie wrote 08/04/2002 01:30 PM Re: Avoiding Prong Collar [Re: Rickey Rose ] #51425 - 08/04/2002 01:30 PM
king dobie Webboard User Reg: 06-15-2002 Posts: 9 Loc: Offline	i began ob classes when my pup was 8 weeks old and the trainer gave me a prong collar for him, i been using the prong collar since, and he is now 7-1/2 months old and he never has given me a problem with it,he has always worn 2 collars, the regular one i use for having free time.. but i would guess if you over use the prong collar when correcting, he will be frightend when you go to click it on, when you are about to put the collar on, tell him it's ok and comfort him, he needs to know that there is not always going to be discomfort when attached to a leash,
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Butch Crabtree wrote 08/04/2002 01:51 PM Re: Avoiding Prong Collar [Re: Rickey Rose ] #51426 - 08/04/2002 01:51 PM
Butch Crabtree Webboard User Reg: 01-14-2002 Posts: 966 Loc: louisiana/texas Offline	A little incident using the PRONG COLLAR: <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" /> Yesterday when working my GSD alongside of the Road, the collar came apart. I always have two collars one attached to each other when not in secured area. (except for this one time) <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" /> Yesterday I removed his everyday collar and was cleaning it. Put on Prong and went out of the fenced in yard. "VERY STUPID FOR ME/I KNOW BETTER" Advice to all using a Prong Collar: Always have a second collar attached to the Prong. Never take a chance as I did yesterday. My dog was in a Down, I stepped out, he went into Heel, collar came apart. Traffic passing on road. Just imagine what could have happened if he was not trained to the level he is. It will not happen again!! Butch Crabtree kennel vom Avoyelles
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John Michaelides wrote 08/04/2002 02:41 PM Re: Avoiding Prong Collar [Re: Rickey Rose ] #51427 - 08/04/2002 02:41 PM
John Michaelides Webboard User Reg: 10-11-2001 Posts: 50 Loc: Offline	Hey Crabtree, what would you suggest as far as connecting the two collars, let's say a normal everyday buckle collar or a fur saver, to the prong collar? My guess would be connecting something from D ring on buckle collar to dead ring on prong. What do you use to make the connection?
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Butch Crabtree wrote 08/04/2002 02:56 PM Re: Avoiding Prong Collar [Re: Rickey Rose ] #51428 - 08/04/2002 02:56 PM
Butch Crabtree Webboard User Reg: 01-14-2002 Posts: 966 Loc: louisiana/texas Offline	bk4jon,That's correct, D-ring on collar to dead ring on Prong. I use a y connector. It gives movement as to not interfere with the correction be givin with the Prong collar. Hope this helps, please use something. I have also used a choke chain collar. Butch Crabtree kennel vom Avoyelles
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Deanna Thompson wrote 08/04/2002 03:13 PM Re: Avoiding Prong Collar [Re: Rickey Rose ] #51429 - 08/04/2002 03:13 PM
Deanna Thompson Moderator Reg: 10-27-2001 Posts: 2261 Loc: Eastern Maine Offline	Just for clarification here... neither ring on a prong collar is dead. Both rings (swivel or o) will give a correction. If you are only using one, then most will use the D swivel, but the bottom O ring is not "dead" like a dead ring on a fur saver.
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