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TammyBreton wrote 12/06/2002 02:12 PM prong vs choke? #51601 - 12/06/2002 02:12 PM
TammyBreton Webboard User Reg: 05-02-2002 Posts: 93 Loc: Offline	my 10 mth old gsd female is not the least bit reactive to a choke collar, she still pulls me up the street. would she react better to a prong collar/ with other training methods to stop the pulling. i have in the past use a halti collar which works great, but they sure know when it is not on. so that is not the way to fully train the dog to heel.
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Melissa Blazak wrote 12/06/2002 02:37 PM Re: prong vs choke? [Re: TammyBreton ] #51602 - 12/06/2002 02:37 PM
Melissa Blazak Webboard User Reg: 03-15-2002 Posts: 591 Loc: Southern Ontario Offline	I've been teaching my neighbour how to walk her Siberian husky using a prong. When the dog was on a normal flat or choke coller she would be flying down the street (literally!). When I bought her a prong and showed her how to use it....TA! DA! It's a miracle. She is a soft person and just about had a heart attack when I put it on him, but even she admits it's a pleasure to walk him with it on. Sometimes she slips though and lets him pull "into" the prong. Not a good idea. It can pop off (which it did) and it becomes ineffective. Using quick direction changes, with a snap correction, then immediate upbeat praise gets the job done with this dog. I definately recommend it. It makes a walk much more pleasureable, you don't need your massage therapist as much, and it makes other walkers less nervous when you have your dog under control. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />
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TammyBreton wrote 12/06/2002 03:14 PM Re: prong vs choke? [Re: TammyBreton ] #51603 - 12/06/2002 03:14 PM
TammyBreton Webboard User Reg: 05-02-2002 Posts: 93 Loc: Offline	i think i will give it a shot, i have read ed's article on how to apply it. i have notice with other dogs i had that the choke chain is just not effective, the dogs just don't seem to mine choking themselves, which isn't good for them anyways.
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Peter Betchley wrote 12/08/2002 12:38 PM Re: prong vs choke? [Re: TammyBreton ] #51604 - 12/08/2002 12:38 PM
Peter Betchley Webboard User Reg: 11-28-2002 Posts: 122 Loc: Offline	Tammy : like all training tools,a prong can be very effective in getting the dogs attention. I like to use one my on my older dogs. Directional heeling is a good place to start.I think after a few times of hitting the prong the dog will have some manners .I have heard of studies that dogs that have had the choke chains on and have been miss used have received truma to the neck.So a prong might be the way to go . Peter
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Butch Crabtree wrote 12/08/2002 02:13 PM Re: prong vs choke? [Re: TammyBreton ] #51605 - 12/08/2002 02:13 PM
Butch Crabtree Webboard User Reg: 01-14-2002 Posts: 966 Loc: louisiana/texas Offline	Peter, Also the choke chain when used will toughing up the dogs neck where a normal correction is ineffective. (almost choke themselves out) My older GSD got to the point he wouldn't respond. Placed a prong collar and back to taking corrections at a much lower level of force. My GSD was trained using compulsion and this also created alot of problems. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" /> Thank you for teaching me a much better way. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> Butch Crabtree kennel vom Avoyelles
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Bob Scott wrote 12/08/2002 02:24 PM Re: prong vs choke? [Re: TammyBreton ] #51606 - 12/08/2002 02:24 PM
Bob Scott Moderator Reg: 06-14-2002 Posts: 7417 Loc: St. Louis Mo Offline	I screwed up a good dogs neck with a choke collar and compulsion. No more! Now, with a hard dog,once the dog gets past the learning stage, any corrections will be with a pinch. One of my major flaws was being to heavy handed. With a pinch, I'm MUCH more aware of the intensity of the correction I give. I've learned as much from a pinch as the dogs have. old dogs LOVE to learn new tricks
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Butch Crabtree wrote 12/08/2002 05:25 PM Re: prong vs choke? [Re: TammyBreton ] #51607 - 12/08/2002 05:25 PM
Butch Crabtree Webboard User Reg: 01-14-2002 Posts: 966 Loc: louisiana/texas Offline	OLDE, posted  Quote: One of my major flaws was being to heavy handed. With a pinch, I'm MUCH more aware of the intensity of the correction I give. I've learned as much from a pinch as the dogs have. That sounded like you were talking about me!!! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> As a matter if interest, I had to do a little OB with the AKITA and used her PRONG. It sure made getting my correction across to her. I have all of my pinch collars hanging on the kennel panels, makes good homes for insects and spiders, cobwebs from collar to collar. I still think that quicker results can be obtained with compulsion using a prong, then again I've been shown that positive motivational methods do work with much less toll on the K-9's. Sorry gotten off topic. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" /> Butch Crabtree kennel vom Avoyelles
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Richard Cannon wrote 12/08/2002 10:52 PM Re: prong vs choke? [Re: TammyBreton ] #51608 - 12/08/2002 10:52 PM
Richard Cannon Webboard User Reg: 07-17-2001 Posts: 1496 Loc: Offline	If you are using a SLIP collar and the dog is chokeing you are using it WRONG. The tightening of the collar isn't what makes the effective correction, it is the release. The idea with any correction collar is to:1- Disrupt the dogs train of thought, 2- Re-direct the attention to the handler, and 3- Teach the dog a negative consequence for an action. Improperly used a prong will cause the EXACT same problems, including the dog choking it's self out. The question with BOTH tools is to learn to use them properly. If you can't be a Good Example,then You'll just have to Serve as a Horrible Warning. Catherine Aird.
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TammyBreton wrote 12/09/2002 09:35 AM Re: prong vs choke? [Re: TammyBreton ] #51609 - 12/09/2002 09:35 AM
TammyBreton Webboard User Reg: 05-02-2002 Posts: 93 Loc: Offline	I am very familar with the choke chain and how it works and i see that all it does is toughen the dog's neck, i use the prong yesterday to walk the dog, oh what a relief it was. huge difference. thanks all
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Peter Betchley wrote 12/10/2002 09:41 PM Re: prong vs choke? [Re: TammyBreton ] #51610 - 12/10/2002 09:41 PM
Peter Betchley Webboard User Reg: 11-28-2002 Posts: 122 Loc: Offline	Tammy : good to hear that you have had the sucess with the prong collar,it is like haveing power steering <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> Peter
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