Hi! It was mentioned in the other topic that standoffishness is often seen in the Czech lines,
but that it usually goes away as the dog matures. Is this behavior usually noticed right from
the beginning or does it appear when the pup is a few months? What is the oldest anyone
has seen this behavior last until before disappearing?

The other thing I would like to ask is whether or not anyone knows of the following dogs
and, if so, any idea of what kind of temperament they produced?

Ben z Pohranicni straze
Fesi z Travnickova dvora
Sonny z Lipin
Anny Znama Firma

Thanks!

Not all Czech lines are standoffish. There can be some suspision in some of the PS stuff as they are not bred for sport. They are bred to be police dogs only. The standoffishness that most people talk about is more to do with strange people and not so much enviroment. These dogs with normal socialisation get over it without any problem.
This trait is not only seen in "Some" Czech dogs but is also seen in alot of dobes and giants.
Ben PS was a good dog and is linebred 2-2 on Treu v Schaferstolz. He was not overly used by breeders but I would have no problem bringing him into my lines. There are a few of his offspring of his in the states.
The others are dogs that have done well in sport compettions. I don't know anything about them but their owners have a website so you could ask them.

http://www.users.bigpond.com/kampk9/index.htm

I've had 2 Anny pups in the past, so e-mail me privately and I can help you on her.

The standoffishness(still think that is a funny word..lol) is a trait of the working lines(I mean PSD, Border Patrol...). It is not something commonly seen in sport dogs. Charo Policia was a dog I had. He was a Blek Egidius son. Pure POWER. Would he have been good in the sport...NO! Was he an awesome dog...YES! We have to remember the Czech lines were never bred for sport. The few names or lines that people are familiar with, is because someone took one of those dogs and put it in the WUSV, FCI, or the BSP. Then they came out. To me the aloofness(yeah, new description) is something very desireable. However, I want to be able to compete if I want to. I have a Chuligan z PS son, and he is the most dog I have ever seen(at his age). However, he won't let most people near him. Now if they have a toy...different story!!! Oops, I keep forgeting no prey drive... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />

I've not noticed any standoffish behavior in any of my Czech lines, actually quite the contrary. But i don't have that much PS kennel lines in my Czech dogs. Most of my Czech dogs are probably from lines most of you guys have never heard off or are very obscure at the least. But I've been crossing most of my Czech lines with Belgian and Dutch lines so that really solves any standoffish problems.Most of the Belgian lines seem to have that extra spark that works well with the Czech lines. My Czech lines are Podradbuzi,Rhodopy, Mesta Ruzi,Dvora,Onyx-Bohemia and Hvezda. My Belgian lines are Daelenberghutte,Anteverpa,Tiekerhook and Larwin

I have noticed it mainly in bitches. In the dogs, I don't see standoffishness, I see more aggression. For instance, we had a male he was about four months old at the time. I took him next door to the vet, to get a bath. I handed the leash to the vet tech, and he nailed her. Four months old pure attitude. There wasn't any aloofness, or skittishness, or standoffishness(whatever you want to call it.) Now my bitches on the other hand, yes until about 12-15 mo old. Then pure fire.

The lines I have...z PS, Blatenskeho zamku, Dudakova, Policia, Zlataku, Ku-Jan, Lipin

I really know nothing about Czech lines. But I have a Czech dog, so I'd like to learn. I've been having problems with my dog since she was about 5 months old (she'll be 2 in June) and I am running out of ideas on how to fix it. Perhaps it can't be fixed, it is most likely genetic. But maybe there is still a way to work around it. My dog is afraid of people ( maybe the right word is suspicious?), which is the exact opposite of how she was up until 5 months when I couldn't keep her from visiting people. Now, there has never been any aggression associated with this. If someone has to touch her, such as the vet, she just shuts down, maybe pees. I've tried to keep these situations to an absolute minimum. I've been socializing her since the day I got her, but it hasn't made a difference. I spent what I believe was far too much time having people at training feed her. This seemed to accomplish nothing, maybe made her worse. I am a little out of my league with this dog and have had to rely on others for help with her. The part that is the most frustrating is that everything else is great. She's a great tracker and does nice obedience. Her stress does win out over the toy and food sometimes at training. I think I am going to get the Flinks video to see if I can improve on that. Her protection is awesome. She never shows any hesitation, she always comes through on the bites. Grips are always full, hard and calm. Nothing has ever phased her in protection, if anything she comes back stronger. I don't have a ton of experience, but it's kind of baffling to me because I would think the opposite would be true. I'm sorry this post is so long, but if anyone has ever seen this or has any suggestions I'm open to hear them as I'm not ready to give up on this dog. Just for the record, she is spayed and is a house dog and I have no plans of ever getting rid of her. Thanks!

I'd be curious to hear the lines she is out of. It sounds like she just needs to build her concentration. I find it curious she could be so good at protection, full grips and the like and get stressed like you are describing. It sounds like the typical Czech dog to me. Full of piss and vinegar when needed and suspicious the next. I don't see how having other people at training feed her would add to the problem. I would work on the concentration aspect. Flinks video as you mention is very good at that. Also, if you get a chance go to one of his seminars and see it in person.

Hi Todd,
My dog's lines are the ones I listed in the first post. The first two are her sire's parents and the second two are her dam's parents. The reason I think the feeding for so long might not have been good is I think I may have inadvertently reinforced that acting flaky around people gets her food. I still plan to get the Flinks video and see how that goes, but I still don't know if she will ever pass the temperament test for the BH. I plan to keep trying though!

Todd, I have a full sister to your Taco. She has extreme drives, very much like a Mal. Heaps of fight as well. Not overly aggressive like our other Czech dogs but a great bitch.