I believe that he is from West German lines. But he is supposedly one of the most sought after dogs in Germany and the Slovak. He supposedly has hard civil aggression that he passes on to his offspring along with extreme drives and nerves. I have never seen this dog work though. I want to know someones opinion on this dog that has ha experience with him.
Howie, paranoia will get you one thing, and it isn't good.
Does anyone have CONCRETE evidence on CZ dogs being healthier, greater propencity to produce a greater percentage of service capable dogs with a lower incidence of hip problems than traditonal German lines? What are the benifits to "going Czech"? I'm getting a little tired of the Show v. Work argument and althought the Czech lines are still DSH, there seems to be more consistency in type and temperment. I am a novice in this area and would appreciate any proven facts regarding this as I care not to get bogged down in the he said she said grapevine crap.
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With Czech dogs I think you will see a larger portion of capable service dogs from the major Czech border/police lines. That was the whole purpose of their programs. Not so with some other kennels in Germany or other parts of the world. Anytime you get a group of people with knowledge, the right dogs, a clearly defined goal, and government funding you should see a nice program. Right? I do doubt that you will see a larger percentage of service dogs than you would say in the German police programs. It is very close in % I bet.
There are a lot of really nice Czech dogs. For a long time these lines were not influenced by the West. That could be a good thing.
Intresting VanCamp. There is another thread going on with this that is similar. What you said is really what I think. If one wants to breed working GSD then there are enough out there to do this, using the GSD not crossing Mals. You just need the direction on knowledge.
On the matter of Ron, I own a son that is strong and very civil. I have bred him and the results are not bad. I have seen another ROn son that was very very nice; well balanced, but civil. What more could you want?
If I wanted to add a little rank and civilness to my lines, what Czech lines or individuals would I look for and where can they be found in the US? Vancamp, what is the lineage behind your dog and why did you select that particular dog, is your dog the result of a particularly interesting and note worthy breeding? Why, if at all, are the czech dogs better than or equitable to the east german dogs? Where is there a reasonably large collection of Czech dogs for me to observe?
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Not to toot my own horn...TOOT TOOT!!! All but 2 of our dogs are Czech. Very solid dogs. Bernhard Flinks has evaluated most of them. I tend to like the old lines. You can find info about Czech dogs...several places...
Trooper,I made the decision several years ago to go with Czech and Belgian lines only in my breeding program. And personally it was a good one,no regrets. I have 12 shepherds with my females being Belgian and i have two Czech males and one Czech/Belgian cross male that i bred. I'm getting outstanding pups with all the stuff you look for in a class A working dog. Although i must agree the Czech males are really hard and not for everyone. The cross however has taken some of the edge off, and I love the way the Belgian influence has added more alertness and handler focus to them. Of course the health benefit has been outstanding, with great hips and elbows and no problems with bloat. I must admit since I introduced these two lines into the program I seldom see my vet anymore.Only for yearly checkups and rabies shots. Maybe it's just luck but i dont think so. The Czech lines seem to be very hardy and close to the German Shepherd roots. Of course this is just my opinion of the past 25 yrs of breeding. Joe
I breed working German Shepherds for police,military and schutzhund. I have a Leerburg bitch out of Orfey and Anja. Most of my lines are Czech and Belgian.
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