Has anyone had experience with a dog that has WGR and Czech bloodlines in their pedegree. I am wondering if this has been a good cross in the past. I know that czech bloodlines are already crossed with the DDR but rarely with the WGR lines. Are alot of the WGR lines not good enough for police work?? Just curious. I have a bitch out of WGR lines and I was considering using a Czech stud when she is old enough to breed. Thanks

actually, if you look far enough back in a lot of Czech pedigrees, you'll see WGR dogs, even some (oh no, not those) SHOWLINES!!!

Mike
From what I've learned from this board, show lines from "far enough back", there is little distinction between working and show. Would that apply here? "Trying to learn"

OED
I think you may be on the right lines here.
My dog Blue is descended from Uran Vom Wildsteigerland etc. Although basically viewed as "show dogs" most of the old German dogs were SCH111 - back in those days there was not the split you see today between working lines & show lines.

The good old days eh!

Gwen

I have had real good luck crossing my Czech studs with WG.

Danu/CJ
Danu/Rocky
Mara/Dar
Cala/Gero
Cala/Lery

Excellent pups out of all these breedings. Nice dark pigment. Excellent prey. Hard as nails.

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Originally posted by Gwen:
OED
I think you may be on the right lines here.
My dog Blue is descended from Uran Vom Wildsteigerland etc. Although basically viewed as "show dogs" most of the old German dogs were SCH111 - back in those days there was not the split you see today between working lines & show lines.

yes, OED is along the right lines, but something needs to be pointed out about the above statement. Uran WildsteigerLand was WAAAAAAY after the break, and is totally a show dog, although he could (in the right combination) pass on good aggression (and linebred upon he passed on a lot of "not so good" things). All dogs hoping for a VA rating, such as 2x Sieger Uran, MUST HAVE a SchH3 title or the best they can do is V rated.

The "split" happened around the late 60s/early 70s thanks to the Martin brothers (Weinerau & Arminius kennels). The "old dogs" that everyone speaks of that were all capable of good work are from the early 60s and prior.

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Originally posted by oldearthdog:
Mike
From what I've learned from this board, show lines from "far enough back", there is little distinction between working and show. Would that apply here? "Trying to learn"

it really depends. You have to look at the pedigree and trace lines, then you can get some understanding. If you saw a lot of Canto Weinerau in the pedigree, I personally would seriously consider another dog. But that's another topic for another day. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Amateur opinion here <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> I have not been involved in any type of breeding but I look back at my males bloodline and he is of crossed WGR AND CZECH bloodline. His sire is , (from Poluxu CS {czech},ROMERAU, ARMINIUS, and Bad Boll lines) and his dam has (Winerau, Wildsteiger land, Arminius lines.) Both of which seem tro be good working dogs. My male takes a lot after his sire and is a pretty good working dog IMO. He has good,strong drives but not nearly as much as my female is EAST GERMAN AND Czech working! i would love to see what they can produce together. I would like to see more crossed lines but only from Quality dogs! But thats JMO.

Mike point well taken <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> ! I only said that I would like to see what they would produce. That doesn't mean that I will breed them. All that is 2 years down the line anyway. My female is only 4 months old Anyway, I did tons of research b4 even getting into German shepherds. I have bred dogs b4 but none of this calibur. Akitas for 6 years only 4 breedings. I had know clue what I was doing. I learned from my mistakes. You are absolutely right, breeding is far more than just getting 2 dogs and putting them together. Thats what I thought it was with my Akitas, I may never get into the breeding game, but I love everthing about shepherds(and want to learn as much as possible) and would never do anything that would compromise the integrity of the breed. I have seen what bad breeding can do!! i know that the breeders on this board go through a great deal to produce quality dogs. And the dogs that they produce is a great testement to the work they put into making quality breeding programs. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> CUDOS THE ALL THE GOOD BREEDERS. But let us remeber that they too(I assume, had to start from the beginning) BTW, Vet said 2 YR OLD should get ofa good, going for SCHH1 IN OCTOBER (LATE BLOOMER BUT MY FAULT). I hope to attain SCHH3 on both my dogs. Thats why I originally bought them...to compete. Not to breed....as of yet. I had more to say but I am tired! It is way past my bt!