Ihave been consultling various breeders and trainers and the general concensus is czech/ddr dogs are not in demand for top sport digs.I am still learninf about gsd pediigrees and am getting somewhat of an idea about why that may be true but I woul dlike more experienced owners/trainers take on this. btw forme personally I want a dog for protection more than sport but would like to know more about the background of these dogs development

Here is link to some info on Czech GSD's. I don't know if you have already looked at this site but here it is jinopo Mr. Novotny has been working with Czech Gsd's for over 30 years and was the head of thier breeding and training programs for a very long time. You can read more at this site. Also look through all the old threads on Czech dogs here.

Regards,
Brandon

I was very disappointed to hear a top schutzhund trainer (will remian nameless as you all know this guy) put down czech/ddr dogs for sport and equate them with people getting west german show lines- people get them for a look! Then went on to ask rhetorically why the top trainers do not seek them out for schutzhund etc.From what I have been reading and from talking to czech/ddr breeders they are much more the type of dog I want yet of course I need them to title with at least a sch1 also.I don't know what to think at this point

I think you should not worry about getting a monster. Tell the breeder what your experience is and let them pick the pup. When you train dogs you get thick skin because you and your dog get embarrassed from time to time this is normal and after a few years of this you tend to be a bit more blunt. Get the dog pay your dues and have fun. Don't be afraid to just do something sometimes it's good sometimes it's bad but you still learn. And it is f in sweet when it starts to come together

Who said that? No need to keep it a secret. PM me if you want.


I don't blame him/her for saying that. It's partially true. There are very few Czech dogs that have competed at the higher levels in the sport. (There are also very few nice Czech dogs in this country.)

There are also a number of Czech dogs who come from breeders who are less interested in working ability and more interested in the "look" of the dogs they breed. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" />

There ARE a few great Czech dogs who have competed internationally/nationally and there ARE a number of good German breeders who have used Czech blood in their lines. Bloodlines that they are currently competing with in fact.


I honestly can say that I more often find the working traits I like in Czech dogs. . .and I don't give a piss what they look like.

Oh. . .you gave up. . .so nevermind.


Crybaby.

Robert says

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There are also a number of Czech dogs who come from breeders who are less interested in working ability and more interested in the "look" of the dogs they breed.

Geez, I admit I am a amateur but that is the first time I heard that. We are talking about Czech working bloodlines aren't we????? and some breeders really focusing on looks instead of working ability ?????? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />
If some Czech/DDR dogs aren't good at sport, they can still make good working dogs can't they???

I think the Czech dogs have some of the best looking working dogs out there. Good looking doesn't necessarily mean a useless dog, and ugly doesn't necessarily mean a good worker.
"and I don't give a piss what they look like" VC, you'd breed to a striped hyena if you thought you'd get a good worker.............Hmmmmmmm! Great potential for grip there. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

I don't think that beauty in a working bloodline necessarily means that something has to be missing. I would just look at it as a bonus, but not somehting to strive for.

I am a czech dog guy through and through. Especially the old Border PAtrol dogs of the z PS kennel (have a litter of them coming in 3 weeks <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> Looks aside in many cases-NOT ALL Czech dogs do not have the extreme high level of prey drive that many top schutzhund competitors look for. That super super high drive makes for some flashy high scoring routines. Now as the owner of this website himself states--99% of those top high scoring dogs doesn't have WHAT IT TAKES TO MAKE A POLICE DOG. Czech dogs stem from real working dogs not sport dogs. Top sport dogs are sleeve crazy and getting that sleeve is the huge reward. Many of these dogs are friendly after a workout to the helper because its a game. Czech dogs or DDR dogs are bred more for the real fight in nmost cases again NOT ALL. My dogs for example spit out the sleeve and go after the helper right now. They hate the guy as he is a threat..not a game. If I want to share a coffee or beer with a helper after a workout...dogs go away. They hate the guy..he's the bad guy..not their playmate. If someone breaks inot my home I don't want my dog looking for a sleeve to bite. Its all about what you want in a dog. Now some top sport dogs are real world workers and plenty of DDR/Czech dogs have been top International Competitors as well. It all really depends what you want to excel at. Also remember pedigree is only part of it..we raise our dogs from birth to exhibit the behavior we desire...so alot of it is up to us. Derek