I live in souther Indiana and am looking for a GSD pup this spring or summer. The dog will live in my home, but will get plenty of activity (am interested in tracking). I was curious to see what some of you feel about this breeder and their stock. I have been in contact with them and am interested in a Neiko & Onzo pup. Also any information about DDR dogs would be appreciated. Thanks in advance.

http://www.ncci.net/buckcreek_shepherds/home%20page.htm

Be sure you research the breeder that both of these dogs came from as well.

http://www.ravinesgsd.com

Take a close look at
http://www.ncci.net/buckcreek_shepherds/Onzo.htm

Onzo was born Feb 5, 2002. That means that he will barely be a year old at the time of breeding. I just can't say enough how much I think this is a very bad idea. He will still be a pup, so there's no way to tell what he will grow up to be like, much less how his pups will turn out!

"THEIR IS NOTHING ABOUT THIS DOG THAT I DON'T LIKE. HE IS A PERFECT DOG."

I'm not sure what the above statement says to you, but to me it implies kennel blindness.

I'd love to be wrong in my above impressions. However, there are other things that bother me too. I own a less than perfect GSD (bloat, pyometra, etc.) and let me tell you, next time I will spend years and years trying to find the best dog possible. an ounce of prevention (and several tanks of gas to make a long drive to the right breeder) is more than worth a lb of cure and all of the heartache that comes with it. I just don't want the same thing happening to someone else that happened to me.

Todd.. you have to make up your own mind.. but they are planning five or six breedings to a puppy! They have no clue what he will produce.. they really don't even know what the dog is at that young age... what do you want the dog for? Just a pet? or a working dog? There are alot of good breeders here in the USA... I would keep looking.. make some comparisons.. and then make a choice..

I noticed that the Dam, Neiko, will be less than 2 years old at breeding. Is this her first litter?

I dont live in that area of the US but if you start looking over in southern Illinoise I could tell you one person not to buy from.PM me for that if you venture that direction.

There is nothing about this dog that I don't like. He is a perfect dog.

There is no perfect dog. A choice few may come close to it, but EVERY dog has SOMEthing about him that is not perfect. A responsible breeder will be objective about their breeding dogs and honest about those dogs' strengths and weaknesses. For a breeder to claim he has a perfect dog is extremely shallow.

That said, I want to add that I do not know any more about this breeder than what I have just learned today from their website. But the fact is, I would not buy a dog from them for 2 reasons. First is what I talked about above.

Second, I also don't approve of the young age of the dogs at the time of breeding. OFA results aside (Onzo did prelim excellent after all), a dog is not mature at 1 year of age. He can certainly sire litters, but there is no telling how he will turn out as an adult. Why be in such a rush to breed him even once let alone 4-5 times already? Also, the bitch is less than 2 years old! What are her OFA prelims and if this is not her first litter, why did they breed her so soon?!?! If it is her first litter, they are breeding two untried dogs. WHO KNOWS WHAT THEY WILL PRODUCE!!!

Todd, it is ultimately your decision, but I hope we have all brought up some points for you to seriously consider before going ahead with this one. Also, their prices are low. There is likely a reason for that. Quality dogs, even quality pets, are generally more costly. You get what you pay for. No one is saying you have to pay an arm and a leg for a dog, but sometimes paying a little more up front will save you some $$ in the end.

Best of luck to you!

I would be very carefull about getting a puppy from an unproven male. Most reputable breeders wouldn't breed a dog that young. There are enough reputable breeders out there to chose from that I wouldn't take a chance. I agree with the ounce of prevention.

If for some special reason you like the lineage of these two young dogs, go to their parents for a pup.

"Dogs this age should be allowed to have their pups registered" JMHO!!! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

As others have posted, saving a few dollars for a pup will cost you later. This is not the place to cut any corners if you plan on a working line K-9. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

There are plenty of educated breeders and owners on this site. USE THEIR KNOWLEDGE FOR IT IS POWERFUL!!! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

Sorry, unable to edit my post, so here it is in a corrected version.If for some special reason you like the lineage of these two young dogs, go to their parents for a pup.

"Dogs this age should be allowed to have their pups registered" JMHO!!!

As others have posted, saving a few dollars for a pup will cost you later. This is not the place to cut any corners if you plan on a working line K-9.

There are plenty of educated breeders and owners on this site. USE THEIR KNOWLEDGE FOR IT IS POWERFUL!!!