Hey everyone.
One of Puppyman's uncles has decided he is ready for a good GSD. A Bastin puppy is ideal, male preferred. This is a HUGE step-this guy was a hard-core bully man but now that he's known puppyman for almost a year, he is ready to make the switch! yay! (He owns no bullies these days-is dog-free) Dave does not have e-mail, so I'm putting the word out for him.
Dave is excellent with drivey high energy dogs, is probably mildly hyperactive himself. He has greatly enjoyed playing with my Bastin puppy, and is without a doubt Puppyman's favorite visitor.
This dog will be a pet, although Dave likes helping me track and will probably do it with his. Lots and lots of play-time here-and endless truck rides. Dave lives and works in the apartment complex I am just leaving, and the neighborhood is rough. because of his job here, he sometimes has cash and has been robbed at gunpoint at night on the property. He'd like a pup that can interact with people, come down to the shop, and go back and forth on the property with him-so a pup from a socialable bitch, please! People here call Puppyman a "police dog" and pretty much walk away from me at any hour-Dave likes that and isn't going for a macho big bad dog-just something to make folks think twice and to be his play buddy. I think he wants the company more than anything else.
High energy pup with lots of fetch a must-Dave is a great and responsible person, but can exhaust fellow humans with his own energy levels. He and Puppyman have played to a draw on many occasions-both panting and laying down, one on each end of the toy, with neither one admitting being too tired to quit.
Anyone have, or know of, a pup coming up like this please PM me and I'll put you in touch with Dave. (Dave knows what these kind of pups cost, btw.) Thanks in advance.

Look at http://www.zutreuenhanden.com She still has a couple of females available..... yes, not the 'right' gender, but I tested the litter and have a male out of Bastin/Unika, very nice pups, such a uniform litter for an outcross! No physical sensitivities, very social and outgoing pups, lots of toy drive. My male loves people.....and he has all the drives anyone would want.

Isabel,
Thanks. Congrats on your new puppy too! I have a question/concern, yes it's probably stupid so no one tear me up-I am still just learning bloodlines-I see a bit of Mink there and I have heard lots of talk of Mink on the board-indicating these dogs aren't for beginners? Dave, bless his heart, has even less experience with high-drive GSd's than I do-I could see him being shocked should his fabulous play buddy decide one day to lift his lip at him for a rank check.
I like what I'm seeing in my Bastin boy, still a total happy-go-lucky goof and social at a year-maybe it's thing Bastin produces-will be interesting to see what his pups do in the next few years.

The jury's still out on Bastin cuz his progeny are still so young, but if this friend is really only seeking an active, playful easy-going dog, I wouldn't recommend a breeding where either parent clearly has a serious side. There are plenty of breedings out there between two prey-monsters without any defensiveness or handler-hardness. I'd be headed in that direction for a guy like your friend.

I agree. Bastin is a serious dog and if you have Mink coming in from the female then it will most likely be some serious dogs.
I have an 11 week old male out of Bastin and a female who is 3-3 on Mink. He is a hard puppy...among other things <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />
I would have your friend look in a different breeding for what he is looking for.

Pat

I have heard mixed things about Bastin. I have heard that he is a bit civil, and I have heard that he is a sleeve dog. Anyone know? What I have heard and read pretty much across, is that his pups are nice robust creatures, that are open in temperment and have good drive. I know someone that has one in thier club, and is very inpressed with the dogs character and drive.

I got to spend 4 days with Bastin watching him train and just hanging out around the club house. He is very strong on the field and definitely not a sleeve dog. He is also very clear headed off the field and social around people.

I have owned 3 bitches coming from Mink lines (granddaughter, a Lewis granddaughter, a Citty Haus Ming daughter) and have never had a problem with handler aggression. Yes, I am handling females not males.

Alex if you would like more information and to chat about whether or not one of these two girls would be good for your friend please feel free to email me zutreuenhanden@provide.net . <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

I have had many Mink dogs, and, if you have a dog whose nerve is 100% solid, the only 'handicap' with them is the one on the OTHER end of the leash <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

To say that these pups are going to be handler aggressive makes just as much sense as saying all the pups will be nerve bags because they carry such and such a dog in the 4th generation. If it were that easy to predict traits and how genes combine, breeding working dogs would be quite easy.....

We have a few bulldog people in our club. Actually, our decoy used to have a Pit Bull he titled to a SchH 1. In my experience with this bulldog people are not easy to fit with a GSD. Most of the GSDs seem too soft for them! Since this would probably go off-topic, e-mail me at ilschh@okpride.net if you like.

I've actually found that the bull breeds are a lot more handler sensitive than working GSDs.

Physical pain resistance can be higher, but handler hard definately not.