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VA Show line vs. Working Lines-GSD
#55120 - 03/20/2004 04:08 PM |
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I could sure use some encouragment from you good people and some advice also. I lost my 14 yr.old male GSD, a beloved working dog out of Harro Lechrainstadt 6 mos. ago. I bought a 10 mo. old GSD from Germany 2 mos. ago. His parents are both KKLa and his whole pedigree is VA or V. I thought it a safe bet for a stable puppy. I called a local Schutzhund Club member to see if I could come and work with my little fellow. They ask about his pedigree and when I told them, they would not allow me to bring him. They did not even want to see him before saying we was wothless.
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Re: VA Show line vs. Working Lines-GSD
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#55121 - 03/20/2004 04:35 PM |
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While I am not a fan of showlines for personal reasons, for them to tell you he was junk without even looking is not a good sign of people you want to be training dogs with. Thank them for saving you the time and fees for training, chances are they have some seriously close-minded people to begin with.
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Re: VA Show line vs. Working Lines-GSD
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#55122 - 03/20/2004 08:59 PM |
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Lindsy,
That club showed very poor judgement. To judge a dog before it's seen is crazy. Heck, there are some AKC dogs that title in SchH every year, so to disqualify a dog by it's pedigree without seeing it....that's just stupid.
You're better off without a club like that. Hopefully you have some alternative places to train.
Make sure that you wave to the person that told you that crap over the phone if they're present when you title your dog!
Good luck!
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#55123 - 03/21/2004 12:10 AM |
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I believe you can tell alot about a dog by it's pedigree alone.
I have seen more show dogs than I want to admit but the truth is if I ran a schutzhund club I would not waste my time on a nervy show POS myself either. There is NOTHING inside their heads. Look in their eyes now and you can see this if you have absolutely any experience with dogs whatsoever. It's just dead.....erie if you ask me.
Show dogs are not german shepherds. It sounds like this club has standards and doesnt care about money more than good training. I know a club that would get your show dog by for money.
I'm sorry but this is the truth. If anyone cares about the german shepherd then they will adhere to the standards and beliefs that Capt. Max V. Stephanitz set forth. Otherwise I say get another breed and please remember to spade, nuter or shoot your show dogs.
If this attitude is kept up and no one strictly adheres to the standards set by the breeds founder then the true vision of the german shepherd will be destroyed.
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Re: VA Show line vs. Working Lines-GSD
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#55124 - 03/21/2004 07:49 AM |
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I also would not want to train with a club that would not even meet your dog. We have had some show lines dogs in our club make their titles. Not the dog I would want to work for high level competition..but nice dogs for these folks.. And there are some high line dogs out there that can kick butt.. few.. I know.. but they are out there.
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#55125 - 03/21/2004 08:25 AM |
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Patrick.
It must be nice to be so sure that you're right.
So all the folks with alternative breeds, the occasional AKC dog, and all Show lines dogs can just stay home? SchH titles are obtained by the above dogs also, ya know. Not giving a dog even a chance to see if it can handle the work simply shows that you're narrow minded.
If you're able to pick out perfect dogs just by the pedigree , you need to set yourself up in business, folks won't actually need to puppy test or temperment dogs, they can just have you evaluate the pedigree to get a perfect working line dog, right? :rolleyes: And none of us here have ever seen a dog from a good working line pedigree not be able to handle SchH training, I guess...
With your attitude, if you end up running a SchH club, I feel sorry for it's members.
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#55126 - 03/21/2004 09:12 AM |
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I don't like to respond back to a post that puts words in my mouth and strewn with smart ass comments loaded with sarcasm. I hope that the people that read my post see that all these things you try to make me say are not in MY post.
Like you saying that I said I can tell everything about a dog by seeing the pedigree and there will be no more need for puppy tests......that is the crap I'm talking about for example ....that is just you being an a$$hole, powertrip in your mind...I have no idea how you pulled that out of me stating "I believe you can tell alot about a dog by it's pedigree alone" .
I don't think that being passionate in a belief and standing by that belief is being narrow minded.
SO my post was just simply saying that I can see where this club is coming from.
Now I cant wait to see what you pull out of this post and change around... :rolleyes:
But hopefully the people that dont agree with me can see that you do this if they read both posts.
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#55127 - 03/21/2004 09:57 AM |
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Patrick, it is spelled spay and neuter, not spade and nuter and to shoot a dog because it is from a show line is a stupid comment.
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Re: VA Show line vs. Working Lines-GSD
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#55128 - 03/21/2004 10:06 AM |
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I think a pedigree can be a first step to determining a dogs potential as a show or working dog. To reject one or the other based soley on paper is wrong, IMHO. My first "show dog" (not a GSD) had a show pedigree to die for. He turned out to be ugliest, nationally ranked obedience dog I've ever had. Is my new Working GSD puppy going to be a good SAR dog? I selected him based on his testing, watching his dam work, judgment of people who's opinions I trust. At this point, with the correct training, I can still only hope. I'm with Will on this one.
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#55129 - 03/21/2004 10:13 AM |
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Wow...that was a useful comment to the discussion, thanks.
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