I spoke with a couple that I met at the Vet's they told me their dog was protection trained. They said they got the finish product package. The trainer took the dog and worked and brought it back trained. Then he worked with them for about a week.

Is this who it works in the commerical world? No learning how to teach OB just the commands, No learning the ins and outs of protection training just the commands and how to deliever???

Is this what the real world of commerical dog protection training is about? I missed something what about taking a bite and getting knocked down, kinda getting your fcae dirty? None of this is required?

Really I think its the easiest way because there is less chance of the owner messing things up until after the dog is trained. The hard part is making them a team again, I'd think.

Would this be the most expensive package? For this level of training, generally speaking.

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Uh... gee... Kinda reminds me of how Police dogs are trained. The handler doesn't "train" the dog... They go through a course together and learn to work with each other, but the dog is 'trained' by someone else.

And yes, it is expensive, but if you REALLY NEED a protection dog for a true threat, training your own puppy isn't exactly an option...

Sure they miss out on a lot. I purchased a titled female for breeding and missed out on her formative years, but she is still great fun to work with. Not to mention, when I saw her previous owner a few months ago, I took her off leash in the room we were in and she hung out with me by her own choice...
I had owned her three months, he owned her 3.5 years...

Uh... gee... Kinda reminds me of how Police dogs are trained. The handler doesn't "train" the dog... They go through a course together and learn to work with each other, but the dog is 'trained' by someone else.

____Deanna this is not true for all police dogs, some of us do have the resources and expertise to do it our selves, and have don so for ages and properly will continue for a long time to come, but yes it happens in the states and else where –SAD.

And yes, it is expensive, but if you REALLY NEED a protection dog for a true threat, training your own puppy isn't exactly an option...

_____Deanna, I would once again like to remind you that this is not the case all over, there are always exceptions to any rule, here in South Africa there are many schools, where the handler gets to train his own dog from “puppy” via proper mentorship. And a full course of 26 weeks would only cost you R1300.

Sure they miss out on a lot. I purchased a titled female for breeding and missed out on her formative years, but she is still great fun to work with. Not to mention, when I saw her previous owner a few months ago, I took her off leash in the room we were in and she hung out with me by her own choice...
I had owned her three months, he owned her 3.5 years...

-------Don, I have seen many of these type of trained dogs being dropped off here at the Unit, because they get out of control, and frustrated to the point where they bite the owners, so yes there are always two side to every story.

Don, this happens, but it’s not always a success story, some of these dogs are pushed so hard that they have no choice but to attack on command, I had to go and “shoot” a dog at the owners request because they could not enter the back yard any more, when I got there the dog responded to normal commands and was well trained, the owner changed his mind about the – out of control dog – and donated him to us, needless to say we placed him with a re-tired k9 cop who now does dog sport with him, so you have to read the manual of any appliance before you can get the full benefit, and some how I for one think that this should apply here, don’t think these trainers supply this with the “Full package”.

I think it’s dangerous and irresponsible, to give some one a” loaded gun” on payment, in return for the bundle of love and hair he-or she parted with for training. Because with a trained dog comes responsibility and discipline, with out properly explaining and tutoring a potential owner of a trained dog thing can go wrong, terribly wrong real soon.

Reiner, I am aware that not ALL police dogs are trained by others. Just stating that it is not uncommon to have a dog that is trained by someone else, and yes, in answer to Don's question, it is expensive.

Not trying to step on your toes.

My comment about raising a puppy was about the fact that some people (woman with a stalker for instance) do not have 2-3 years to train the dog(if the pup is healthy and has the appropriate drives to even do the work). That doesn't mean they aren't capable...

Maybe you think that means they don't deserve the dog, I do not.

I wasn't suggesting that people should be able to buy a trained dog just because they have the money to pay for it... There are people, for whatever reason, who need a dog that is going to do more than bark and don't have the time to raise it from a pup and hope the hips are ok, it can work, yada, yada, yada...

Deanna, I was not trying to pick a fighting, and to say the least I agree with you, I was just re-laying my thoughts on what you had posted.

Whats the usually turn over time from the time you sign the contract to the time the dog is trained and delivered?

And the onwer training is that thrown in as a package deal? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Depends..

on the dog,
on the trainer,
on the seller, etc.
There is no cut and dry answer.

I've owned 3 protection trained dogs in my life. One I bought totally trained, one I sent away to training for 4 weeks(I had 1 week training w/dog), and the current dog I was the handler throughout all his training. Like the original post said, if you have no clue on protection training, it's better for the dog to go through training without you until he's finished, then you learn about handling. I see nothing wrong with someone buying a dog for protection and not knowing how to train them, (Like Dianna said the majority of police handlers in the U.S.) My first dog (that I bought trained) was smart enough for both of us. I had a 2 hour course with the trainer/seller on how to use basic obedience, outs, commands, ect. Any of these 3 dogs would come to my aid in a real life situation. I do believe however that remedial/refresher training on a periodic basis is mandatory. I also think bonding is a non-issue if you care about/love the dog, they sense this. I don't see why someone with money, the need for a protection dog and common sense shouldn't be able to buy a finished product. As with any priveledge, there are always those who abuse it, but I think the vast majority of good trainerswho sell the finished product screen out the idiots pretty well.

Philli

You said all 3 would come to your aid in a real life saving situation. You got waht you paid for.

But what I like to know is Which one did you bond the closest to? Which one was the friend/pet and protector? Which one could you really trust around your kids/family? Bottom line which one did you have the least money in? And if you had to pick just one, which was the best trained or best dog? This coudl be two different things in my mind.

And which one really fit your need, I've notice that sometimes the best trained for one job, doesn't mean a dog that is the most versitle or well rounded one.

Sometimes you got the protector but not the social butter fly, he/she is good for just kicking butt and is not very discriminate.

Don, your original question has been answered. The questions you just added have no value to this as a dog training forum. If you wish to ask those types of questions you will have to do so via PM.

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