It is my understanding that some countries, dog organizations or kennels prohibit the practice of selling stud dog semen. Either West Germany, the SV or individual WG kennels have such a practice, I am told. Given the practice's obvious convenience and practicality, can anyone explain what the purpose(s) of such a practice is? Thanx.

Yes, the SV doesn't register any dog that is born through "unnatural" processes. Although, I am unsure as to their reasons for being against AI, I'm sure they have some idea as to why this is seen as best for them. Maybe they're trying to make sure that dogs that can't "perform" don't get into breeding programs, and only healthy, viable, "normal" dogs do make the cut. On the other hand, from a different POV, they are also excluding a good amount of dogs from the gene pool that might be cost prohibitive to breed to for everyone, except the LARGE kennel owners.

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i'm involved with dogs and thoroughbred horses. In the Jockey Club registry for thoroughbred horses AI breeding is not allowed because a particular popular stud could be used OVER and OVER and OVER through AI thus not allowing for vigor of the breed due to too many offspring sired by the same horse. The mindset of the JC is that a stud would be used locally or by breeders that truly want to breed to that particular horse. AI would open the door for any mare to be bred by a stallion with the arrival of some semen in a straw. Horses (as with dogs) can be a passing fad due to the popularity of the particular animal at that time...do we really want an influx of tons of offspring due to a passing fad? just a though

When it comes to frozen semen people should be very carefull with that kind of breedings. It´s easy to "go around" both mental and physical breedinghinders, which is dangerous because dogs that can´t mate natural often has some genetic faults, which also former experience from sweden shows. Besides frozen semen also increase the risk of overusing of certain dogs as mentioned, which is the biggest problems in dogbreeding. Experts in the issue recommends frozen semen only to be used in countries where they have to few breedingdogs in a breed, frozen semen then could be a reasonable way with modest costs to expand the genepool and thereby lower the risk for genetic disease.

Valid points have been made on this stopic but people have missed the most important point. It is getting so expensive to ship dogs on airlines (and I am tickled pink every time I see one going broke - they are the most missmanged indiustry that I know of) that AI's is going to be the name of the game in the future.

I agree that a male dog that will not breed is not worth feeding. These dogs should not reproduce. There is also the risk that one dog may be over bred - but what the hell look at the crap that is going on in Germany right now with FERO. That certainly didn't happen with AI's .

From a breeders standpoint you do not have to take so much time (3 days in a row)just to get someone elses female bred. I won't do it for that very reason.

So you can mark my words - 10 years from now chilled semen and froizen AI's will be 100 times more commone than today.

Couldn't agree more, Ed!

These guys are talking about "over-use" and limiting the gene pool, but aren't looking at it from the flip side. It gives breeders a greater variety of studs to choose from that would not normally be geographically possible. I'll be damned if I'm going to ship my bitch to someone I don't know that well in Belgium, when I can just buy the sperm and have it sent to me for the same dog. My bitch stays with me and I get the breeding I want, no liabilities, no worries, so what if the SV doesn't want to register my dogs. Not worried about it as long as I can produce high quality, versatile, strong dogs!!!

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This is just like the argument about people who abuse E-collars and prongs, they will exist no matter what.

I am all for AI... I had frozen semen come from a stallion in colorado to breed my TB mare(shire cross) and that is far more economical than taking her out there and risking losing the foal anyway... Same thing happens with bitches, except you don't get another chance to breed in a month like you do with a horse.

Why do I want to breed my bitch to the dog down the street when there is a dog with a more complimentary pedigree 1200 miles and a sperm container away? (cum popsicles) <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

I know the argument about not having seen the dog, but that is not what I meant. I tend to travel, but this makes arranging a breeding simpler, say I see the perfect stud in FL this winter. (this is all hypothetical, I don't have a bitch) Why not use him? Again, am I limited to what I am willing to drive? I shouldn't have to be...

Deanna,
along the lines you're talking, I can't make the trip to Belgium to see the dog, but I know people from various lists that are overseas and evaluate dogs. I trust their judgements, as they are more experienced than I am, so in an instance like mine, where the male is in Belgium, has a good reputation, and a couple of people I know have observed and tested him, it makes my choices better than what I can physically go and see. The internet is making it possible to further the "immigration" of foreign bloodlines via good contacts and AI. Like you said, I'm totally for it!

Yeah, Mike, I am with you... I have just heard that as one of the main 'anti' arguments. For people like me, looking at the dog myself doesn't mean a whole lot, so I too have to trust the judgements of others. So far so good...

If you REALLY wanted to go to see the dog you could... but again, why go to all that trouble if you can get trustworthy opinions via the internet? People don't scream about people importing dogs they haven't seen... these are just 1/2 dogs we are talking about <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

I do agree it´s practical and cheap and if you know the stud very well both, what he produces both mentaly and health wise and if he´s a "natural breeder" frozen semen could be used wisely, especially in countries which is very large like USA. I just want to stress that personal knowledge about a stud is very important, and the temptation of using frozen semen without very good knowledge about a stud is a risk. Another thing you can do is to cooperate with other breeders which have the same goal in their breedingprogramm and share the cost of an import stud from europe to USA.

When it comes to overusing of studs this is a great problem in dogbreeding, if breeders restricted the amount of puppies a single stud should have and only used healthy dogs which dosen´t pass on any genetic defects, there would be no need for costly vet-visits for various infections and diseases. Ed mention fero, thats is a classic example of way to much offsprings from a single stud and in feros case many of his offspring wasn´t so good according to members of this board.
The ideal in dogbreeding should be if we had the same system that they have in breedings with other domestic animals where
actual breedings are reported. This would give early signals of overusing of single studs or groups of brothers so that the owners of the bitches could avoid breedings with studs that already are heavily used.