ok, heres my question...
how often does white show up on pups of say, sable or black and reds, were not talking all white just the occasional white spot (like chest)
is this considered bad genetics? and if so,(I'll catch serious crap here) why does something like the Rin Tin Tin breeding program allow white dogs for their animals even though my understanding is you may only acquire one from that program as a neutered animal.
and isnt the possibility of an all white gsd in any breeding program?
and do pups ever darken up? or do they always lighten up as they get older
you gotta cut me some slack here, breeding is not what I do, more just curious then anything considering breeding in the long term future...
White spots on an otherwise dark dog has nothing to do with the all white GSD. It's just a white spotting gene. Not something encouraged, but not that big of a deal either. Generally as the pup ages, the white spots either get smaller or completely disappear.
On the subject of introducing white GSD's into a breeding program, white is against the standard, so that is why you shouldn't breed whites into a breeding program. It doesn't matter if you are breeding Rin Tin Tin lines or what. The color white is a masking gene, so that white dog is genetically another color, but doesn't express it.
Generally a pup will get lighter, unless it is a sable. Sables go through all kinds of color changes from dark to light and then dark again!
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OK, there's the start of the story... I've seen white toes, socks, chest splashes and there was that "harry potter" dog with the crooked blaze, but this is the most extensive white I've ever seen.
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Stephan,
Looks like piebaldism. While not at all common in GSDs, piebald dogs of other breeds are well known; Bulldogs, Bull Terriers, Whippets, Greyhounds, etc.
Piebald coat color is roughly 50% normal coloration and roughly 50% white.
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Yeah, that's what I figured it for. Piebald starts with the toes/chest stripe/around nose, and then the break progresses through irish markings, then up over the stifle and finally starts to break over the hips.
I had whippets and greys. I used to watch for the white to come over the stifle. If it did, you'd get breaks in the body color sooner or later. Of course, with those breeds, the color is immaterial, so we saw all kinds of fun markings. I especially liked the dogs that occasionally showed up irish on one side and high white piebald on the other!
I was surprised at that sudden and extensive a mutation to piebald, though. Did you notice all the ticking?
I had a friend with a "merle" rottie, but she was really a rescue that had a scarring that caused roaning.
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It is definitley extraordinary, the level of piebalding. I wonder if it has anything at all to do with the multiple solid black GSDs 'up-close' in the pedigree? I've never seen it before, but I tend to avoid people who run color based breeding programs. I knew of a working line GSD breeding that was Black x Sable (Black Recessive) and all of the pups showed some degree of the Irish Spotting.
Genetics sure can be interesting.
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>Genetics sure can be interesting.
Amen, brother. I'm usually skeptical of "new" color mutations. I have a strong tendency toward the "good dog can't be a bad color" philosophy, limited of course by what the dog is bred to do...
I am always delighted by how my sable bitch disappears almost anywhere -- snow, brush, urban, and any time of day.
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