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I saw you mentioned lurchers in your post about guard dogs...that thread doesn't seem to suit my question for you.
You may have seen my post on that topic about lurchers...I thought they were more or less a dead breed, so it's kind of neat that they are here in this country running coyotes. I have seen people out west do this with greyhounds, but that's all. I am very curious as to what modern lurchers might like and how they are bred. Do you think they are the same lurcher type as in European folklore?
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#59921 - 11/24/2002 01:55 PM |
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Yes these are the same dogs used in England for years. They were origionally a Gypsy's poaching dog. They will run down anything from rabbits to dear, and they work silently. They arent a true breed, but crosses with sighthounds. The tradition cross is with a Greyhound and a Collie, but many crosses are used. A whippet and a Border Collie is another popular cross for a smaller dog. The sight hounds are used for speed and the Collies are used for biddability, as the Brits call it. In otherwords, sighthounds by themselves aren't very controllable,especially when running quarry. Breeding them with working dogs makes them more controlable. Look up Lurchers on the web. There are a few good sights, and lots more explination.
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#59922 - 11/26/2002 03:37 AM |
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There are still lurchers in England and Wales, particularly in the countryside, where people use them for catching rabbits & small game. At our country fairs there are competitions purely for lurchers ranging from just show to racing classes. In the show classes, great debate is always had by the crusty old farmers judging, as to which dog has the very best constuction and condition for the work. i.e. they don't much care how pretty they are, just how balanced, and fit for the task.
Last summer we raced our GSDs against lurchers and working collies in an open class. Lurchers won by a long distance, followed by our GSDs and then some way behind came the collies. I was surprised we beat the collies!
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#59923 - 11/26/2002 03:24 PM |
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#59924 - 11/26/2002 04:04 PM |
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I saw a Belgian Terv/Saluki Lurcher in Texas. Some crazy old Irishman owned him. Hunted those little ass Texas deer. Poached is a better term. . .
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#59925 - 11/26/2002 09:01 PM |
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The one thing uniform about Lurchers is the fact that no matter what is crossed with the sighthound, it always looks like a sighthound. I've seen one APBT/Saluki cross, and it just loked like an uglIER Saluki. I don't know the genetic reasons, but, just guessing, the sight hounds have been aroun so long, the are geneticly dominant for looks, if that makes sense. Iv'e seen a number of Lurchers at Working Terrier shows in the States, and some of them are quite good looking,if you can appreciate that type of dog.
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#59926 - 11/27/2002 04:29 PM |
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well this is all very interesting stuff. Sounds like a neat hunting dog.
I found a site that talks about how fanciers in Britain is getting "concerned" about there being no standard for lurchers and they are lobbying the kennel club for recognition. They are working hard on setting a breed "standard". The fanciers are advocating no one buy crossbred lurchers and they only breed two lurchers to each other to make more.
hmmm. Wonder if this is a good or bad thing.
They had some pics-their dogs looked alot like irish wolfhounds, with lots of white face stripes, feet, etc.
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#59927 - 11/27/2002 04:30 PM |
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dang my bad grammar. I should have said:
"fanciers in Britain "are" getting concerned"
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#59928 - 11/27/2002 05:00 PM |
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Yeah, there's fanciers like that. The best name for them is 'silly billy,' especially since the very thing they seek, standardization, is what would make the lurcher just another dog. The needs of a lurcherman looking to take rabbit are very different from a person hunting fox or mink, which are again different from someone taking hare and they breed, select and train accordingly. You can be sure that purpose breeding, training and working a good hunting dog is *not* what they're interested in doing.
Put them in the same class as anyone trying to standardise racing sled dogs (you know, the dogs whose abilities don't exist solely in the imaginations of their breeders?).
There are lurcher shows, but so far, they've been informal, fun affairs. Long may they stay that way. It gets especially silly when you consider that lurcher x lurcher tends to produce puppies who go all over the place in looks, abilities and temperaments.
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#59929 - 11/27/2002 08:40 PM |
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The recognition of Lurchers by the kennel clubs will be their downfall. They have gotten by as is for hundreds of years and the cross brings hybrid vigor to the dogs. They will no longer be Lurchers if they are standardized. Long live the crossbred Lurchers.
Brian Plummer has written a number of books on terriers and lurchers. I have one of his books "Tales of a Rat Hunting Man" You'll die laughing. He is considered one of the last of the "characters" in the British dog world. He also breeds his own line of JRTs called Plummer Terriers. They are supposed to be rat hunters par excellence.
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