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#60191 - 12/11/2002 12:06 PM |
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This is probably a silly question, but does the size of the pup in the litter really reflect the mature size. The runt will be smaller when it reaches adult-hood than the largest pup or does nutrition, etc come into play.
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#60192 - 12/11/2002 12:36 PM |
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Size in the litter doesn't have anything to do with their adult size. Their adult size is predetermined by their genetics, not their size at birth or in those early weeks, but of course that genetic potential may not be reached due to nutritional deficiencies or illness, etc.
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#60193 - 12/11/2002 12:38 PM |
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How about this for a cryptic answer-
sometimes??
Some pups in the litter could have been concieved at different times, if it was a large litter you could see more size difference. . .there are a lot of factors.
Usually by eight weeks some of that has evened out and you can get an idea of size in comparison to the others in the litter, but thats just a guess.
You never know. LOL
Judge size by the parents.
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#60194 - 12/11/2002 03:16 PM |
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Well speaking from experience with my last litter the runt certainly stayed smaller than his bigger brother. Both were raised in the same home on the same diet etc....The runt was born first and weighed 1/2 lbs, his brother weighed in at 1.5 lbs and was born second. Bonsai (runt) is very very thin and finer boned and barley weighs in at 70 lbs. This dog will not gain weight. His brother Bodie weighs in at 94 lbs and is just right in his weight. The litter was born a week early and I believe that Bonsai was conceived later and was maybe premature. I don't believe he was "cooked" all the way. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> The rest of the litter was of average size when born at 1- 1/14 lbs each. But I did not help Bonsai survive. He survived all on his own. There were nine in that litter but I'll tell ya when Bonsai was born I was scared to death there were like 14 puppies that size in her. I was about to have a heart attack LOL <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />
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#60195 - 12/11/2002 03:45 PM |
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How about personality?
Are runts usually more submissive?
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#60196 - 12/11/2002 03:54 PM |
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From personal experience and especially from the research in Scott & Fuller - the pecking order among puppies is most heavily influenced simply by weight. The biggest pup wins the most just cuz he's got the biggest advantage. So the runt can be put in a very disadvantageous position in the litter. They aren't BORN with a submissive personality, per se, but if you allow them to get beat up enough in the litter interactions, it can have a detrimental effect on them. I separated my runt at 6 wks and only allowed her to have one on one interaction with some of the more passive pups, so she learned some dog social behaviors, but didn't get beat up, and she turned into a normal size hellion of a bitch.
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#60197 - 12/11/2002 03:58 PM |
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In general all things being equal, size at birth does not reflect the size the dog will be as a adult.
But Karman brought up a neat sceniro, that if a pup is premature, And I add it does not get fed as often because he can't push the others out, the puppy if there no assistance could die or remain a runt (smaller then his sibilings). Genetics can't take effect if there is a change in conditions.
So in the end Vancamp made a good point sometimes, it does and sometime it doesn't. How is that for being a Politican. I agree to disagree, but sometimes you are right. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />
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#60198 - 12/11/2002 08:20 PM |
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Originally posted by DogDaze:
How about personality?
Are runts usually more submissive? Not Bonsai..he's a little ass. I think he has the short man's syndrome <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />
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our Femke was the runt of her litter, now she's at the top of the bitch standard. In addition, she was always Ms. Independent, and still is, besides the obvious need to be alpha over other females, and being the "peace-keeper" around here. She submits only to her human family, but I have yet to see her back down from or submit to another animal.
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#60200 - 12/13/2002 01:51 AM |
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I had a runt Doberman a couple years ago and when he matured he grew bigger than all of the males in the litter as well as his sire. Go figure...
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