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#60396 - 12/19/2002 10:10 AM |
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My ex-wife is looking to get a White Boxer, I know this is not the breeds spec, but since its not a albino would it be anything she should be aware of? Besides the normal Boxer's pros and cons. I've heard of White Boxer clubs starting just like White Am/Canadian Shepards clubs.
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#60397 - 12/19/2002 10:39 AM |
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Things you need to be aware of:
Lack of pigment, watch out for sun burns.
These dogs have a greater chance of being deaf in one ear.
It is reported that some are born blind.
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#60398 - 12/19/2002 07:05 PM |
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Anytime you take dogs and breed them for one specific purpose in regards to appearance it's bad. Many times like what Art mentioned they can be worse than show dogs with their health from what I've seen with other breeds trying to get odd ball colors. Look at it like White Dobermans, White or Silver Schnauzers, etc. Lots of health problems.
Also there's a lot of inbreeding or linebreeding done wrong with people trying to get this result, and I've seen the pictures on Ed's article.
If anyone hasn't seen the picture, then they might like to see what Uncle Dad looks like, lol.
I think everyone here would advise against it.
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#60399 - 12/19/2002 08:53 PM |
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There are clubs for all kinds of bizzare things in this world but that doesnt make it legit.Ive trained more than one of those pretty mostly white Aussies that were deaf and have seen more that were deaf and mostly blind.Its an ethical question and I personally would not do anything to promote these defects that irresponsible breeders think are "neat".
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#60400 - 12/19/2002 11:14 PM |
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White Boxers turn up from Normal parents. They often have problems and most reputable breeders bucket them or sell them w/o papers. The all white dog is a result of the Fawn genes. So they will always occur. If one turned up as a "sport" from normal lines I wouldn't worry too much about health problems. If someone was breeding FOR them I would run, not walk, the other way.
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#60401 - 12/19/2002 11:45 PM |
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Bull Terriers, Dalmations, Australian Sheps (bred merle to merle) have a very high % of deaf dogs. The only white Boxer I saw was stone deaf. Even if a white is a "fluke" of natural parents, I would still have it tested before I made a decision.
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#60402 - 12/20/2002 01:31 AM |
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Any dog bred for the color of their coat is not a good dog to have. You want a dog with a good mind, not a dog that looks cool. Breeders of white dogs are just asking for trouble. Yes I know that white GSD's have been around for a long time, but look at these dogs, they can't work, never could, never will. Even if all you want is a pet, you still need to look at what you are getting, an inferior dog, a genetic fluke. Do you really want that?
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#60403 - 12/20/2002 02:53 AM |
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You won't get white from solid fawn or brindle parents. White dogs show up because a lot of boxer breeders like because 'flash'(white feet/legs, blaze, collar) wins in the ring. Unfortunately breeding flashy parents means that sometimes the white is more extensive and breeders are supposed to bar dogs that are more than a third white.
Unlike the white you find in German Shepherd Dogs, this form of white is associated with deafness and/or blindness because it develops from the same part of the embryonic notochord linked to the development of the retina and of the inner ear and a lack of pigmentation leads to problems.
That said, not every last white boxer is deaf (particularly if they have *some* pigmentation), but a lot of them are. And many of them don't have the best eyesight either. If you set your heart on a white boxer, you'll have to factor these potential challenges into your equation.
And with whites popping up in the course of normal breeding, don't even look at anyone purpose breeding them.
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#60404 - 12/20/2002 07:29 AM |
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Two years ago my sons friend came home with two boxers from the same litter. They had no intention in buying a white puppy but decided to get a white one along with its fawn brother. My dog has played with both of them and they are doing fine. No health problems with this white dog. I was interested in boxers and I agree with everything Dei has to say. He's very informative as usual. What really galls me is that a number of breeders cull their white boxers.
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#60405 - 12/20/2002 08:19 AM |
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Heh, last I checked, I'm still very much of the female persuasion, but thanks the compliment, Milt. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
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