why is a long-haired gsd a fault for the standards? do you agree or disagree?do you know any long coated gsd champions?

I have -no- problem with it.
I think many of them are great looking dogs.
I've heard people say their coat can't take the cold whether as long but even if it's true it's a marginal difference to me.
If the ears didn't stand I would think it was more of an issue than this.

They're not breed standard but it's not like they look strange or hurt the breed's look. Out of all the things GSDs are breed for and the faults they have, I don't feel this is one of them.

What do you mean by champions, no there are no show champions that are long coats. It is a fault in the standard.

There are working dogs that win working competitions that are long coats.

It is a fault because the coat is not as good as the regular coat. (for whatever reasons the standard writers decided)

I won't breed them, I don't like them. There isn't a dire shortage of good working dogs that don't have the coated gene, so I'll stick with them till I have a reason to breed a coated dog. (i.e. there are no non-coated dogs that are working breed quality.)

I agree with the standard.

In some older threads there are long haired champions. I can't recall names, but I remember Lee Baragona mentioning one she liked in an old post. There's plenty of others too I think.

Brad, what are you talking about?

YES BUT, is it that big of deal if one breed them?
You're definitely not hurting the breed, right?
As an example I'm sure there are plenty GSDs that have bad hips, and bad drives bred with regular coats.

I don't feel this is destroying the breed.

Scratch ~Champions~, there's been good dogs with long hair.

I have a match pair of long coats. Never really cared about what standard is. I am not a breeder, and have no intention on breeding, but I think you breeders might be missing the boat. Everywhere I go people stop and ask about these dogs. They are always the most handsome boys on the field. Of course I'm sure I'm prejudice. They do stay wet a long time though.

Who cares if there are some good working coated dogs, thats no news flash. A dog's coat doesn't negate it's ability to compete. But it isn't to standard so I wouldn't breed it. Health, working ability, working ability, working ability and a dog that is generally to standard are what I look for.

I wouldn't breed a white dog, I wouldn't breed a coated dog, I wouldn't breed a dog born without a tail, I wouldn't breed a dog who's ears are flop, I wouldn't breed a dog with blue eyes. . .

None of those things have jack to do with working ability, but they are not correct to standard and why then would I want to continue to spread their gene's around?

(Even though I'm a working fanatic, I have SOME basic conformation requirements in a breeding dog because I like the GSD breed. If all working breeders had zero cares then what is the purpose of even breeding a specific breed?)

There are plenty of dogs to breed to that are not coated who have great working ability.

A long coat affects the dog in dealing with weather, that is the argument behind the standard, and I agree with it.

And I have never heard of a show champion with long hair to answer the other question.