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Finding studs and registration names
#63612 - 09/17/2003 11:54 AM |
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Howdy everyone! 2 quick questions. 1) besides paying the AKC for generation papers how can I find out about my dogs Sire (my dogs daddy)? I have contacted the owner and he hasn't told me jack dittly do da about him. I was told Lobo was Sired by a stud at Jerland kennels, but when I go to the web-site I don't see his name. 2) Is it very important when your dog is in Agility, Confirmation, Schutzhund etc. to have the registered name be that of German origin (Von, Vom.....) or some American name? I am finally sending in Lobo's registration papers and I am not sure what to do for a name I am not into cutesty names, I like the manly German names and don't want it to sound like I pulled it out of my butt.
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#63613 - 09/17/2003 12:23 PM |
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I find the fact that you can't get a registered name out of the breeder to be odd... Did you try asking the people who own Jerland Kennels? Maybe it is a stud dog they sold??? I hope you at least know the bitch's name...
Most kennels will ask that you name the dog with their kennel name, and pick a name with the letter of the litter, but otherwise it is totally up to you. A name is just that, a name... while it may seem cool to have a name with a german sound to it, it is not necessary in order to compete in any sport. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />
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#63614 - 09/17/2003 01:46 PM |
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I think I explained it wrong or am understanding you wrong. I have the name for both the dam and the sire, what I am having a difficult time finding out is the sires pedigree and if yes indeed the sire is a Jerland kennel stud. Larry's site has pictures of all his dogs, I checked them and their pedigree and did not find his name. I am wondering if there is a datebase or something like that that I can go too. The Sire was a Cas V.D. Modderbeek. The mother was privately owned and not from a big kennel. I have a DNA profile on him, but nothing written on here for the OFA, the mother however is OFA24G.
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#63615 - 09/17/2003 02:20 PM |
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Two resources I would recommend are the pedigree database site Moderbeek search resultsbut Cas is not listed and the Yahoo group GSD-Euro There are members that can usually help you get the pedigree on dogs.
I didn't understand your first post. Sorry.
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#63616 - 09/17/2003 02:26 PM |
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Thank you so much your always so helpful Deanna <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> . Should I assume then that he truely came out of a Modderbeek line or could anyone use the Modderbeek name?
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#63617 - 09/18/2003 12:49 AM |
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#63618 - 09/18/2003 08:16 AM |
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First of all I agree with Lee Hough that it is very poor form to name a dog with someone else’s kennel name. If this kennel name (Modderbeek) is a registered name, then you may even have some legal problems.
I still don’t understand what the problem is, maybe I’m missing something: who bred the litter your dog is from? Is it the owner of the bitch? Is the litter registered with AKC? It doesn’t matter whether he/she is a private person—if the litter is registered, it should be registered under the breeder’s kennel name, and this name should go on your registration papers. If the litter is NOT registered, and the breeder doesn’t have a kennel name, then you can make up your own, as Lee suggested.
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#63619 - 09/18/2003 08:36 AM |
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Originally posted by Renee Felknor:
First of all I agree with Lee Hough that it is very poor form to name a dog with someone else’s kennel name. If this kennel name (Modderbeek) is a registered name, then you may even have some legal problems. Just to chime in here... There ARE circumstances where a breeder will (under agreement) register a litter with someone elses kennel name. To do so without prior agreement is tacky and rude.
My 'first' litter is such a litter... but we agreed to this before I bought the bitch and they had already planned the litter, so it is under their kennel name. My name will still be listed on the papers as the breeder though...
I know of other dogs as well who were bred before a kennel had a name and named with a friend/mentor's kennel name. Link Muikenshof for one was bred by Rinus Bastiaansen of Kennel Daleneberghutte before he had that kennel name. The dog went on to be the WUSV and Belgian Champion.. (I am willing to bet he wished the dog was registered under his kennel name) <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />
Sooooo don't assume that the person was just grabbing names... it isn't always that way!
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#63620 - 09/18/2003 08:59 AM |
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Originally posted by Dee Dee Lulloff:
I am wondering if there is a datebase or something like that that I can go too. The Sire was a Cas V.D. Modderbeek. Cas van de Modderbeek SchH1 VH2 KKL1 'a' normal ZW85
Cas is showline, out of Hoss vom Hasenborn & Maybe van de Lentfert Hoeve.
Here's his linebreeding...
3-4 "Q" litter von Arminius
3-5 Vax von der Wienerau
5-5 Lasso di Val Sole
5-5 Flora vom Königsbruch
5-4,5 "A" litter vom Klämmle
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#63621 - 09/18/2003 10:28 AM |
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So are these pretty good bloodlines then, it also would explain Lobo's INTENSE drive too?
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