Since my other topic got kind of derailed (not complaining, just happened) someone suggested that a new topic be opened to discuss the limited registration. I for one, don't think I would buy a pup with limited registration. If I buy the pup and the breeder feels good enough about me to let me have the pup, then it ought to be my dog, completely, and I guess it really doesn't mean anything to anybody but I see the limited registration as kind of a negative remark about the animal I buy. But I guess that is just me and most likely I am wrong because I haven't heard anybody else express that opinion. Here is a question I have: Can the pup with limited registration compete in AKC for show? If it is allowed then has any dog with limited registration ever won? I have no interest in the show world at all, but I know how fanatical they can be and if even they allow these limited registered dogs to compete for show, then I guess I am wrong to see it in such a negative light. Also, here is another: If the breeder that sold the pup with limited registration 'disappears' (some do; go out of business, move, can't be found, whatever) then if the owner of that dog wants to get their limited registration lifted, can they? (if not it is like they are still holding some control over the dog and if I' have paid for it, cared for it, and trained it, then I don't like that.) Well, I was just interested in this and so I thought if there was anybody new to the subject maybe they would find it interesting too. If everybody's tired of hashing it over, tell me and I'll quit on the subject. I had to do some research to try to find out just what limited registration was in the first place but since it seems like everybody else knows all about it, maybe it's kind of dull for you experienced people! Hey, thanks for posting in my other topic even if it did get off track! Jennie

Dogs with the limited registration cannot be shown in breed conformation but can still participate in AKC events such as obedience, tracking, herding, etc... Here is a link to more information on limited registration
http://www.akc.org/reg/limitedreg.cfm

An AKC limited registered dog cannot be trialed in Canada (CKC) in ANY event.

Yeah, that's pretty damn lame.

It actually goes deeper than that. CKC will not issue a registration to an AKC limited registration dog until the restriction is lifted. Even though CKC has a non-breeding registration as well, they will not accept ours. It needs to be full in order for the dog to become registered with the CKC. No CKC registration, no shows, no OB trials, no nada.

I guess I fall into the "people who have a complex" category mentioned in the previous thread. I won't buy a dog on a limited registration. I won't buy a dog with "funny" strings attached. I do OFA prelim my dogs and final OFA, I work them, etc. Title them to the best of my ability with the club situation we have.(I drive 4.5 hrs to work dogs- EACH WAY) If you don't trust me with the dog, then we can't have a relationship. Simple as that. It's ok though, because I don't have a problem finding dogs to work. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

So far as the validity of the SV breeding system in the US... Well, I think as long as people continue to cut their noses off to spite their faces we will continue supporting other countries in chase of something that won't likely happen. SchH will NEVER be here what it is in Germany. With the way the Euro is right now breeders should be more concerned with producing a work worthy AMERICAN BRED dog than if the dog has pink papers or not. But, hey you don't have to agree with me, thats the beauty of this country. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> I can't find much faith in a system that lets show dogs who wouldn't bite a biscut with gravy on it get pronounced ratings, or a system in which my local breed warden recommended I use a local SchH3 KKL1 stud who has produced ONE single litter of 8 ALL DYSPLASTIC PUPS. No thanks!

Being that I have been involved in rescue for years, and literally LIVE with a shelter outside my bedroom window, I am aware of the larger picture. Papers aren't what cause dogs to end up where they do, people are. Dogs with full registration, dogs with limited registration, dogs with none are all the same in the end. If they have reproductive organs and a bad owner, they are a liability no matter what the papers say.

Here is an interesting thing about pups being sold with full registration. When I was looking at Krieger's pedigree I realized that a couple generations back is a very well known kennel name. After that pup was sold with full registration no titles were attained and no hip certifications are noted. The breeder I bought from charges one third what the well known kennel charges. I don't know for certain whether my dog's issues stem from no socialization at a young age or if there would have been problems anywhere. Oh, and by the way, I had the right to full registration for my dog with dog aggression and an undescended testicle. My point is just that with full registration for every pup in every litter a breeder could undermine their own reputation.

Deanna,You have depth to your insight.

candace what was the point to that post except to kiss ass?

The limited registration issue works both ways as far as the CKC (Canada) and the AKC are concerned. As a Canadian breeder, I can not sell my pups to the US on a limited registration, since the AKC will not register them. So... from a breeder standpoint trying to protect the integrity of our European Working lines, the only thing protecting me is the NON-breeding contract that my puppy buyer and I sign. Which is only as good as their signature and my ability to keep track of and enforce the contract should they breed my puppy anyway! At least with limited registration, the offspring would not be eligible for ANY registration! Well perhaps the OTHER CKC would but that still doesn't make them eligible to trial in Canadian KC or AKC events.
We are as thorough as we can be when screening potential puppy owners, we always prefer to place our dogs in a working environment, however there are many wonderful companion homes out there that deserve a quality dog as well. In my opinion these companion homes should be NON-breeding homes, and therefore the dogs should be on limited registration!
I won't buy a dog on a limited registration because I am buying the dog as part of a future breeding program. If I was not a breeder, I would have no problem with the limitation. I don't do conformation shows so that is not an issue either.
Tammy

I never said every pup gets full registration that I sell either. I said I won't buy a dog with it. Double standard I know.

EVEN with a contract stating the dog must be neutered, you have no recourse once that dog leaves you- at least legally. The only way to be 100% sure that none of your pups produce is to spay/neuter them yourself. That is why shelters (at least good ones) do not let an animal out the door without altering. Even they can not force it once the dog is gone.