REINIER Geel Webboard User Reg: 01-12-2003
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The egg or the chicken, which came first
After the Bite and Hold vs. the Bark and hold Saga, I started thinking, what is most important in practice, with out looking at BS. from people who are playing the game from the side line, ending back on the original debate.
From a police k9 training point of view, when prioritising the out come of the training for a Patrol dog course, would it be focused on the find = tracking, scent ability or would it be focused on the Bite ability + fearlessness and a good hard sold bite etc..
So to simplify this, if you could only have one aspect trained and have to choose, would it be, the “find” or the “bite”.
Personally, I would prefer to work the find dog a dog that would be able to find a, suspect in all types of terrain, with good hit rates first , then bite would become an issue
David C.Frost Webboard User Reg: 01-23-2002
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In my opinion, it is not a matter of which came first, but rather, you can't have a chicken without the egg. If I'm training a patrol dog, it will do both, find, AND bite and hold, to the established proficiency level, or it won't be working. If not then call it what it is. We have "detector dogs" only. There purpose in life is to detect. Nothing else is expected of them. We have patrol dogs. Patrol dogs, by our definition anyway, must meet certain proficiency levels in all identified areas, or they simply do not go on the street. As far as the bite/hold vs. bark/hold, I'm on record as saying, the dog bites when I tell him too, and stops only when commanded. It is the way we train and what our Troopers expect. We've never confused ourselves with a sporting club.
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Ed Frawley Administrator Reg: 07-11-2001
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This is not even open for debate. If a dog cannot track and find someone then biting is irrelevant. If we assume a bite ratio of 20% (which is high for many departments) then 80% of the finds do not require a bite.
I always felt if my dog could find the bad guy then my AR15 and my Glock could handle it from there.
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