I've been looking for a really good protection training book that will lat it all out there in one concise book. After reading this book I want to fell that I can train a dog in PPD, and be able to problem solve any issues that may arrise.
One I've been lookin at is,"manstopper,by Joel McMains"
The other one I was considering is :tom rose>Training with the touch.
Any advice on better books? I need this book to train me, I don't need war stories. Just tell me exactly what I need to do, step by step.
Maybe someone on here is selling a good used protection book?
Any reccomendations?

I appreciate all and any help.
Borders does not carry this type of book.

Michael DeChellis, Canton,Ohio
luckeyouu@hotmail.com

The Manstopper book is GARBAGE. Will Rambeau is writting a book now. With that said - no one is going to give you 300 Pages of written material wwhich will completly train you.

You have unrealistic expectations. The foundation work to preapre a dog for the helper took me 2 DVD's that total 6 hours of training. The script alone for thoise DVD's is well over 300 pages

I don't think I have unrealistic expectations. I work in the medical field. In college I've had to read books/texts on the cardiovascular system of the human body, the books are complete and concise. Surely they don't tell you how to perform open heart surgery, but the knowledge base they gives you is priceless.

I suppose that's what I'm looking for, not a book on protection, I want a text. A true refrence book. Would it be challenging to write a book like that? Sure, but think of some of the things we've accopmlished in the this world, writing a decent book on protection shouldn't be "TOO" difficult in comparison.

The only obvious problem is that so many people have so many different methods and training style "all with effect results", but there is no "ONE" way to train a dog. So the only problem would be, whoever wrote the book, you would only be getting the opinion from thier camp.

Is that unrealistic? Other's thoughts?

The text you are looking for on protection training doesn't exist.

Since I'm almost a hundred pages into writing my book now, I'd like to comment.

First off, one of the reasons I'm even writing a book is to clear up misconceptions about what protection is in the real world. Currently, almost all protection books are about training for protection in SchH. The books that are aimed for training actual protection dogs are just horrible ( although "The Koehler Method of Guard Dog Training; An Effective and Authoritative Guide for Selecting, Training and Maintaining Dogs in Home Protection by William R. Koehler" is worth owning for a historical reference ) and most show a complete and total lack of understanding of what actually occurs during an attack or assault. And if you don't understand those dynamics, how can you train a dog to effectively protect you from a scenario that they can't even explain in print?
Also, I have seen over and over again that owners badly overestimate their dog's ability or desire to protect their handlers. Most owners are blind to their dog's flaws, and I've even seen this trait in National level SchH competitors.
All these points will be discussed in depth in my book, if it's ever published...

And comparing a medical text to a dog training book brings up a major difference - medicine is a "science" , where much of dog training ( especially at the top levels ) is more of an art. If dog training was to be accurately compared here, it would of course most closely resemble psychiatry, the "fuzziest" of the medical sciences.

Will,
I'm new to this, I don't claim to know anything at all about protection training. One thing I do know is, You never hear anyone say "He's doing it right".

If you believed everything you heard and read, you would come to the conclusion that "there is not a single dog out there that is properly trained in protection". Unless you are the owner/trainer of that dog of course.

I happen to work in psychiatry and I can tell you, it's not "fuzzy" at all. Psych for the most part is measurable and you can make accurate evaluations on an individual. Just as with a blood test you can tell if one has a particular disease, there are test you can do to diagnose a mental illness. Some even require blood tests to be diagnosed.
Anyway, This isn't the Board of Mental Health and this surely isn't the right place to be talking medicine.

I come here to learn and share opinions. I will buy your book if you complete it. I think it is good for an author to consider his or her readers for the book to be effective. I've told you what I'm looking for, I'm sure I'm not the only one.

Good day to all.

Michael,
My wife is a Psychiatrist, and I've got a degree as a Physician's Assistant ( although I *hated* civilian medicine with a passion ), I'm well versed in psychiatry, believe me. The DSM IV has a lot of "give" to it regarding diagnosis, in many psychiatrist opinions. It still requires a human observation of a behavior ( or a reported observation ) to make the diagnosis, and that observation is always open to interpretation. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

If you ever find a text-like book on dog protection, many of us here would be very interested in looking through it. Good luck on your search!

Better hurry and finish that book while my killer JRT is still able to jump up and grab the badguy by the throat. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

You and your wife are well accomplished, you are proud of yourselves.
Really I just wanted to know about a book. I'll rephrase my point in a simpler fashion.

Why is it that a book, many books actually, can and have been written that completely explains how to train a dog in:
Obedience?
Hunting?
Tracking?
Therapy?
Advanced OB.
Search and Rescue, and a plethora of other categories, literally EVERY other category of dog training, except protection of course.
BUT! It would be inconceivable that there could possibly be a similar book on protection work. I was only asking, not trying to prove it could be done. That's the first part of what I have to say.

There is something else I can not quite figure out. Why is protection training portrayed as being "mysterious" and so highly guarded? It seems people who have the "know how" don't want to openly share what they know. Again the people who have some real world experience on the subject give them impression that, only they, TRULY know how this is done and if you learn or accept information from someone else you are being fooled. Is this my narrow view or is it really this way?
Maybe I'm not describing this improperly, but if anyone knows what I'm trying to say, feel free to help me out.

I realize "the book" does not exist. No one needs to say it, again. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />
Respectfully,
Michael

Michael, this is just my opinion. I've trained dogs for just well mannered pets, Advanced obedience competition, breed ring, Search and Rescue, hunting, and now working at Schutzhund. None of these venues teach the dog to bite for real. There are way to many people who think they are dog trainers that do nothing but create monsters when they try to train PPDs. It would probably be very easy to find someone who claims to know how to teach serious bite work. The responsability of doing this is more that I care to do. Especially doing it from a book. I would think there could be serious legal consaquences in doing this without very qualified help. JMHO.