I have seen pitbulls train in schutzhund. The problem I have seen is many of them have no pain threshold so it makes it difficult to correct them especially when they are in drive. I do believe with enough patience and work one could compete and do well with them. I do believe a few have been titled to SCH 3. As far as Bullmastiffs go , I believe many of them would be lacking in drive which seems to be true with many of the oversize breeds. The guy I used to train with got a SCH 3 and a FH on a Golden Retriever and did very well with him.
I saw a Jack Russell do a SchH III routine this weekend at the Nationals. Dog was awesome and really good. He had a better routine than my dog LOL <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />
I talked once to a woman who had a pit bull (I want to be careful here, the dog was an American Staffordshire Terrier) titled to the SchH III level. She regularly competed with the dog. She mentioned that it was always a problem to get him to out--which she attributed to the breed in general--and that he had blown more than one trial due to not outing. Other than that she was quite pleased with the dog. He was an accomplished tracker too.
The AmStaff people field a team to the American Working Dog Federation's Schutzhund championship every year.
Another brief note on pit bulls from people I've met who do SchH with them: they are usually wonderful with people (which I can vouch for based on the ones I've seen)--it's the crazy gang bangers that have given the breed a rep for being aggressive because they abuse the dogs to make them that way.
Pit bulls can be dog aggressive, though, and that is one of the drawbacks of competing with a breed originally used for dog fighting.
I've seen several Pit Bulls compete in the NAPD and do very well.
I'm currently training a male Pit for PP. You are correct that they 'feel no pain' and therefor the corrections are impossible sometimes. This just means you have to be a better trainer in my opinion and work with the dog rather than slam him when he makes a mistake.
They are very handler sensitive, so once you do get there attention; they feel terrible about letting you down. The problem is getting there attention when they are in drive. They have tunnel vision like I've never seen before.
Amen about the tunnel vision. My amstaff is still very young, and so far she's been great with other dogs (crosses fingers). sSe loves to play with other dogs and usually tires out older larger dogs due to her energy and stubbornness, she's the embodiment of the saying "fall over 10 times and get up 11". But when she gets into playing or anything else for that matter she's completely unaware of the rest of the world. It gets really annoying at times as she can be perfect doing obedience a times and when her drive picks up she doesn't even react to the whistle.
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