I heard that just about every town and villiage in Germany has an SV club. How about any of the ring sports? Does anyone know of many ring clubs in the Rheinland-Pfalz area of Germany?

Thanks,
Curtis

I have heard that it's illegal to allow a dog to bite a suit in Germany unless your with the police department or military. This would cut down on ring activity quite a bit. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" />

What?!?

<img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> VC, your reaction to that statement was waaaay to calm. Are you not feeling well today? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

I'm not claiming it's fact, but i have heard this. Am i wrong??

It's true! I talked to a breeder out of Landstuhl, Germany and she said that ring sports are illegal in Germany!! Anyone have any thought on why this is? Do they think it causes the dogs to be too aggressive?

Aren't ring sport dogs trained to be locked in prey in order to handle the "defense"? (maybe I'm wrong but that's what I've heard) What looks like defense work is really just distraction to them. How does this translate to aggression? Would a typical ringsport trained dog be more civil than a typical sch trained dog?
Alison Voore

We don't train them to be locked in anything. Just like most Shutzhund dogs work in mostly prey drive, so do a lot of ring dogs. Defense is triggered by fear. (please read twice) If your dog isn't afraid then it works in prey drive.

I still don't understand why ring sport would be illegal in Germany. Any input from someone more knowledgeable than me? It's just another form of protection. Schutzhund means "protection dog", right? Do the Germans think these ring dogs are too aggressive?

This has come up in this forum before. I asked two police dog handlers in Germany this question, one from Bavaria and the other from Schleissweg-Holstein. The answer is it is NOT illegal in Germany.
Maybe it is against the rules in the CLUB that a dog breeder may be involved in or that their state guard dog training is illegal, and therefore a bit of a translation problem but Ring is not illegal.

But, there is as much misunderstanding about training for sports other than VPG (the new term for schutzhund since the term protection dog has become slang for dog fighting dogs and guard dogs handled by ruffians in Germany and also the driving force for a change from PSP meaning police protection dog to its new meaning of police search dog).
I once had a well known SV Judge whom I naively asked him if he had seen any of the french Ring and he dressed me down about dogs eating children and being viscious. What a crock. My experience with Ring both FR and BR varients are that the dogs are intensely reliable around people, in fact it is not uncommon for the dog to run through the audience in the search for the helper in BR.
Don't assume that a expert in one country's program knows anything about another country's program/s.

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It's true! I talked to a breeder out of Landstuhl, Germany and she said that ring sports are illegal in Germany!! Anyone have any thought on why this is? Do they think it causes the dogs to be too aggressive?