Videos from 2005 World Championship for Malinois
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Re: Videos from 2005 World Championship for Malinois
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#75451 - 06/01/2005 12:12 AM |
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The helper in the first video forgot he was doing Shutzhund. What a jerk.
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#75452 - 06/01/2005 05:52 AM |
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I couldn't figure out how to slow the video, but it looked like the helper dipped the sleeve real quick giving the dog a bad bite. I don't know much about Shutzhund rules, but if the judge sees this, how does it affect the dog's score?
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#75453 - 06/01/2005 06:46 AM |
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Everyones always quick to blame the helper,We are human and do make mistakes. Regardless of how the sleeve is presented the dog should have bit wether it was on top of the sleeve or below the sleeve. Just my 0.02
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#75454 - 06/01/2005 07:00 AM |
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I agree with Steve. I watched the video 4 times. This dog had 4 opportunites to bite. It bounced off the bite bar twice, had an opportunity to then bite the end of the sleeve as a result of poor presentation and finaly had an opportunity to leg or chest bite the helper who knew the dog was a shitter and held the sleeve up and away from the dog (not that I agree with this).
Let us not forget that Schutzhund is a test of the dogs nerves and drive - this was a national event. The dog should have bit the first time and it did not. When a dog bounces off the sleeve it's not a helper problem its a nerve problem.
Don't worry the dog will now be sold to a good home in America.
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Re: Videos from 2005 World Championship for Malino
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#75455 - 06/01/2005 07:09 AM |
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You may or may not agree with what the helper did, but the fact is this type of work is exactly what the DMC (German Malinois Club) wants. As someone on another forum pointed out: “This is not a SV Korung, but a DMC World Championship”. These helpers didn’t come out of nowhere and weren’t chosen the night before the championships. They’ve been on every major DMC trial in Germany for the last couple of years. They were working as instructed by the judge, which also happens to be the head DMC judge and president.
In my opinion the DMC has taken a step in the right direction and as a GSD owner I wish the SV would do the same.
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Re: Videos from 2005 World Championship for Malino
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#75456 - 06/01/2005 07:39 AM |
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Antonio is a friend of mine. Pluto is an excellent dog, National Champion, against dogs that have made the podium at World IPO Championships. This was an international event, the Belgian Shepperd World Championship. The dog strikes full speed. The helper gives a bad bite and then moves the sleeve away and pushes the dog with his knee. 4 chances to bite? With the sleeve over the helper's head? None of that is allowed in the IPO rules. Maybe that judge has his own rules, depending on who's the handler.
Don't worry, the dog will not be sold to the USA. Antonio is not a dog dealer and does not make money out of dogs. He will keep competing with Pluto with success as he always did. If I ever get a Mali, I will ask Antonio where I can get a son of Pluto.
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#75457 - 06/01/2005 10:49 AM |
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I watched this video a number of times (probably 10) and my first reaction was that the helper screwed up but when you really watch, the dog didn't grip on the attack. He bounced off and then was deterred by pressure from the helper. I guarantee you that while the dog may not have been given a good presentation intially, he certainly could have gripped SOMEWHERE if he wanted to. I happen to own a number of Mals and can't imagine that holding the sleeve up to chest level (it was NEVER over the helper's head) should stop an athletic dog! I know what Nitro or Aera would have done in that situation and it wouldn't have been to sit in front of the helper. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
Pluto looks like a very well trained dog, there is no doubt about that....maybe he just was off that day or hadn't been prepared for the situation...they are dogs, not machines and don't always perform the way we expect.
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Re: Videos from 2005 World Championship for Malino
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#75458 - 06/01/2005 11:21 AM |
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Dear Cindy,
This is a SchH dog. He's trained to bite the sleeve only. No leg or chest bites. He's trained to sit and watch a helper who doesn't move.
Let me respectfully disagree with you. The dog doesn't have a chance to get the sleeve. The helper kicks the dog with his knee. That is not allowed in SchH. Nothing of what the helper does, with the aproval of the judge, is allowed in SchH (IPO). Sometimes the rules are not the same for handlers of different countries. Certainly the rules were not the same for the judge's girlfriend who was competing for the German team. Very ethical.
The rules say the helper must give a correct presentation. This is not mondioring where the dog can bite the suit. The helper does not make a correct presentation and he does so on purpose. That is against the rules.
Antonio only needed 92 points to make it to the podium, and could still win the World championship. Maybe that explains the helper's performance.
Thanks to the person who published the video the world can see and judge for themselves.
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Pedro.
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Re: Videos from 2005 World Championship for Malino
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#75459 - 06/01/2005 12:17 PM |
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I have to agree with Jeff and Pedro. A good helper can read a dog and tell if the dog is high in prey or fight. If the the dog has a lower fight drive than prey he would take what that helper did in the first video as a correction and not a challenge. The bite presentation was crappy and the helper was spinning around and blocking the dog from getting a fair rebite in addition to kneeing the dog. I could be wrong but that's just my humble opinion. On the other hand if the purpose of the trial is to weed out dogs high in prey from those that are high in fight, the helper is doing one heck of a job. I've seen dogs that would have bit the stuffing out of that helper. Too bad though. Once again just my half as opinion.
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