 Handler Reared & Trained PSD's
#75955 - 06/07/2005 02:38 PM |
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I could use some help here. A friend is trying to convince his department to allow him to use a dog he raised and trained from a pup as his new service dog. He is preparing to retire his first partner and would like to use the dog he raised and trained. But, he is getting some flack about perceived increase in liability because the dog was raised and trained by him and not bought from a vender and then trained. The dept. has a in house training program and he is one of the trainers so this whole thing is kinda weird. But, someone has raised the specture of liability in this issue so I am looking for examples of LEO's that reared dogs for their use in their department. I have a few exampamples but need more.
What I would like is name of dept. K-9 and handler to use to show that this is goofy.
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#75956 - 06/07/2005 02:46 PM |
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Kevin- I have always use my own dogs.I thought you did too. The only increased liability is to the owner/handler. As far as the department insurance companies go a police dog is a police dog.
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#75957 - 06/07/2005 05:23 PM |
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My dog (malinois import f/ Holland) was initally bought and raised by another police officer (former k9 handler) on my department. He then sold the dog to the department when the dog was around 1 year old. Our department also now has the policy where I could buy my next dog when my current dog is getting ready to retire, then sell it to the dept. when my dog is ready to work for $1.00, then if I am ever to leave the dept. I would have the option of keeping the dog.
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#75958 - 06/07/2005 07:11 PM |
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A guy in our training group did it twice.... PM'd you his info.
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#75959 - 06/08/2005 02:29 PM |
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Yes, i do and I do a lease agreement with my dept. It has never been an issue. I'm just trying to help someone demonstrate to his dept. that raising the idea that a dog reared by a handler causes more liability than a dog bought from a vender is stupid.
Kevin- I have always use my own dogs.I thought you did too. The only increased liability is to the owner/handler. As far as the department insurance companies go a police dog is a police dog. |
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#75960 - 06/08/2005 03:19 PM |
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Kevin- Actually I can see less liability because the owner handler can explain the dogs total history. Record of bites if any, raising, training ,exposure to the public, family, kids and on and on. These situations are a win / win for any department, (especially small ones) as long as it is a quality dog team. Handlers tend to be more dedicated to their own dogs also.Besides the department is not hanging out in regards to a family member bite situation, lessening one giant liabilty issue. Speaking of that, the liability that exsists of the handler being bitten by the department owned dog. ( of which you are aware of ).
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#75961 - 06/08/2005 07:55 PM |
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Kevin - In 1983 and 2001 I raised, trained, and titled Liberty and Perry, then sold them to the Springfield Police Department. The question of liability was never an issue, and considering what some of the vendors dogs look like today anyone with dog experience knows this is a stupid analogy. But if the department is considering previous training to include titled dogs, and your friend has no recognized titles awarded to his dog, then they may have a point.
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#75962 - 06/08/2005 08:16 PM |
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Kevin, let me know if you want the contact info of the dept handler who now has the dog (Bella) I raised in a home environment for 3 years and then donated to the PD. She is certified by the state of Ohio, and is working as both a patrol and narcotics K9. To my knowledge there is no liability issue, the dog has taken and passed her yearly cert and recerts, so she is a qualified K9 in every way.
Quite honestly, I'm confused that a person would think it makes a difference if a dog came from a vendor or from Mars....why would it matter? What should be critical is if the dog can do the job, right???
Anyway, pm me if you think this case scenario would be helpful to you.
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#75963 - 06/16/2005 08:29 AM |
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Hi Kevin
You could site The Ekurhuleni Metro Police Department, we have many dogs that were reared by handlers and then put through the training… Or evaluated if trained else where or by another handler/ trainer outside of our fraternity, and then certified either way they were raised, conditioned and trained by there handlers.
I think the important aspects here to argue should be bonding, without that the dog could take months to reach its optimal potential, that is now cemented, as well as socialization, and imprinting.
You could get them a good book called “K9 Unit Management” by Reinier Geel, that deliberates this point on factual basis. Ha Ha
In all seriousness, we have several “private” internally trained, and then certified dogs.
R.H. Geel. Author: of "K9 Unit Management". |
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#75964 - 06/16/2005 11:05 AM |
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If the dog passes the Department's standard tests that are done before putting a dog into service (or the vendor's if that's how they do it) what difference does it make who raised the dog?
Sorry, I was using common sense again. I'll never learn.
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