Okay, this post might venter off topic of a minute or two but bear with me.

First off, I am Pro gun, in every since of the word. Here in TN you can carry a gun if you have a permit and are over 21, needless to say I carry a gun every day of my life. It is also my hobbie and I have 1,000s invested into every thing from handguns to classIII fully auto ak-47s.

Second, I like dogs, I like working dogs, big or small. I like protection and OB shows and I like to teach my dogs how to work, there is a sence of pride a person takes in his dog when it works good in OB, protection, hunting, ext ext. Although I put dogs to sleep from time to time, I still would take about any working breed out there if it comes from good lines.

Okay, now to the point.
After doing a little bit of reading at the library and in some books, even on the internet, I came to find this out.

More citys and towns have past laws prohibiting the ownership of pitts, rott, dobs and chows, then prohibit the owner ship of military fully autos like a German WWII MG42 that spits out 1300 rounds a minute and can be feed via ammo tin with 1,000s of rounds.

I mean, all any one needs to get a fully auto rifle in the USA is a ClassIII. All you have to do to get a ClassIII is, pay a $200.00 Fee and wate about 6 months. Thats it.

Like do you know in Denver, you can own a fully auto AK-47, with a 200 round drum magazine and silencer that can shoot 800 rounds a minute. But, you cant own a 40 pound pitt-bull! What the hell is that about?

I dont know. Am I the only one that feels this way? Like I said I PRO gun and dog. I think srickter dogs laws and weaker gun laws are ass backwards though.

Just my thoughs.

Dave.

David,

I don't know you but I like you! I am a big gun fan and a working dog fan as well. I won't go into my opinions on the subjects of guns. There are other forums for that. I don't believe we need more strict laws and rules on dogs and guns, we need to be more harsh on the punishment when laws get broke or when something happens (ie. dog kills a kid or someone shoots another person). IMO we need to be tougher with punishment and on the ones responsible for keeping those around us safe. In the event of a pet owner, if their dog (whatever breed it is) injures or kills a person, the owner is responsilbe. I also believe in the case of guns and dogs, education is important. People need to learn about the responsibilities that go with owning a dog or a gun. Knowledge is power. If people knew how to properly take care of and handle a dog, less accidents would happen. But, not everyone was blessed with common sence.

Banning what the public sees as a vicious dog to protect small defenceless children gets a politician more pr points than restricting our rights as American citizens to bear arms. I hate the screwed up politics we have now. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" />

Personally I would rather see toy breeds banned than pit bulls anyway. I`ve met a lot of plain nasty toys and very well mannered "bully breeds".

I rather would see a way to ban all those dog owners who put us in this situation with their stupitity, ignorance or other reasons. It's not the dogs fault, it's the peoples fault. The same is true with guns. Guns don't kill, people do!

A problem with dogs is the cutesy pet people that think love is enough to control them, which I think outnumber the ones that actually want to cause harm with their dogs. At least with guns you don't have someone bringing them in the middle of a playground and claiming they're nice and would just like to make friends. I HOPE not.

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At least with guns you don't have someone bringing them in the middle of a playground and claiming they're nice and would just like to make friends.

Obviously, Kay, you're not from TN. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" />

I don't know why we should be surprised that dog laws are more strict than gun laws. We've fallen into the bad habit in this country of letting organizations fight our battles by proxy, and for better or worse, dog owners don't have a group like the NRA taking up the issue.

From TN the last 6 years and not really any dogs laws. The city next to us is looking at the breed specific issue. But, they do not have any good AC and dogs (all breeds) run freely.

Before I say anything - I am pro-gun, pro-dog, and undecided on BSL, I have no strong opinion on it so I'm not arguing anything either way, but you could view this 2 ways.

1. The way you explained above: there's stricter laws on cute fuzzy animals than there are on firearms.

2. Dogs can be unreliable - a gun is only fired when the trigger is pulled - average Joe Moron knows that if he has a gun in his hand, points it at someone n pulls the trigger - there's a really good chance of someone getting killed. Average Joe Moron doesn't understand that his dog will kill someone in certain situations. It is more likely for Joe Moron to have a dog that attacks someone and go "oops I didn't think he was capable of doing that" or "I coulda swore I locked that there gate! golly gee willikers, i'm sorry your son's dead", than he is to go up to someone and shoot them in the head. More often than not, the situations where someone ends up dead from a dog attack, the victim was innocent, whereas if you're shot in a non-accidental "I thought he was breaking into my house/I didn't know it was loaded" scenario, odds are (and I'm not saying this is ALWAYS the case) - you were with someone you shouldn't have been with, doing something you shouldn't have been doing anyway.

I'm not saying I agree with the way the laws are written, I don't necesarily agree with banning breeds in certain counties either - just offering a different way to look at it.

But yes - I also agree, a politician banning a breed of dog that is dangerous in the average mom's eyes will score more points than trying to fight the constitution. But there are always different ways to look at things that make a little more sense, wether we like the other point of view's or not.

David
"I dont know. Am I the only one that feels this way? Like I said I PRO gun and dog. I think srickter dogs laws and weaker gun laws are ass backwards though."

C'mon, use your head, that comment is just dumb.

The possession and use of firearms is a *right* spelled out in the U.S. Constitution by the founding fathers of this great country.
Owning a dog is a privilege. Big difference...

You indicated that you're an owner of a Class II firearm. If you actually own Class III automatic weapons, you're an usually uninformed owner, which I find odd ( I'm a Class III dealer ). I would think that you'd know that there has been one ( 1 ) crime committed by the legal owner of Class III weapons since the 1960's - just one. Care to compare that figure against the number of deaths and injuries related to Pit Bull ownership?

And even if you're just talking about regular firearms, the right to own them is based on the need to ensure that the population has a means to fight against the government, if that needs arises someday. That's why stricter gun laws are always a bad idea. To compare that to stricter dog laws is just stupid. You need to crack open an American history book and do some reading.

How would stricter Class III restrictions against a class of owners that already show virtually *zero* criminal behavior help anything?

You might want to check on facts before you post opinions like that, because if you post garbage like that, I'm going to point out the fallacies in your poorly though out posts.

Let's try to keep the subject on dogs, if we veer off into politic too much, this topic will be locked. I only posted this because I hate to see a post with no basis in fact left up as gospel. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" />

"Owning a dog is a privilege. Big difference..."

Sorry Will, Don't agree

You can have my Max when you pry my cold dead fingers off his lead.... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

sorry could not resist