 Belgian Tervuren as a Police K-9
#79048 - 07/16/2005 09:20 PM |
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Has anyone in Law Enforcement used a Belgian Tervuren as a working police k-9? I am a School Resource Officer assigned to a high school (New Orleans area) and putting together a pilot program with a "passive alert" narc/gun powder/alcohol detection k-9 that will be assigned to me. I have been in contact with an owner/ trainer (Bubba Howell) with South Mississippi Canine Consultants (Petal, Ms). He is a former k-9 police officer and has successfully placed dogs with numerous police agencies in Ms. He was telling me about a Belgian Tervuren that he currently has in training. Is this a good breed for interaction with students when its not detecting illegal contraband in school lockers and other school's property? Or is a golden retriever or lab a better breed for this pupose?
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Re: Belgian Tervuren as a Police K-9
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#79049 - 07/17/2005 01:25 AM |
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Wayne,
I have helped work a very good Terv that is a Police K-9. Tervs do not generally have nerves as strong as Mals. With that said obviously it depends on the individual dog. The one I have helped worked was awesome, and could handle all the pressure a decoy could put on him. Gunshots while downed with the handler out of sight and staying completely cool ETC... If your asking if the breed is an automatic no-no for any type of police work, it is definatly not an excluded breed, providing it passes the departments selection criteria. I have seen one as I said that is a dual purpose, and that usually narrows down the type of dog allowed, as many departments have restrictions and are open only to Mal, GSD's, or DSD's for dual purpose work, but detection work see's it's wide variety of breeds and even mixed breeds. Hell US customs is the melting pot for breeds, one of their best dogs is a Brindle colored Pitbull, he and his handler are constantly winning accolaids.
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#79051 - 07/17/2005 02:52 AM |
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Wayne,
Disregard my last post. Didnt realize it was you and that you are still considering this project.
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#79052 - 07/17/2005 06:25 AM |
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I would first be concerned about the heat in New Orleans when considering a Terv - assuming you can find one with correct nerves and drive. Back in 1982 I put a Sch 2 on a Terv - actually took him to the 1982 DVG nationals (failed protection because of my poor training back then) he was a perfect example of a decent dog with a lousy handler. With that said I have only seen one Terv that I felt could do patrol work (it was not that dog). I have seen a bunch that could do narcotics work with the right handler.
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#79054 - 07/17/2005 11:14 AM |
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Being in "Swampland USA" myself, I'd say that Ed is dead on with his comment about the Terv in N.O. heat. The dog would probably end up hindering a long search due to needing more breaks in the intense heat, yes the long coat does offer insulation from radiant heat but it also hinders the release of heat from the dog's body. You will also have some trouble finding a good one...it's getting harder to find Tervs and Greonendales with good working instinct. Better choice would be a GSD, Mal, or some other breed. If you're looking for a dog that might be less intimidating due to administrator concerns, look to Labs, other Retrievers, and Pointers/Bird Dogs. I know some people in your area and over my way (the Lafayette area) that might be able to help out, but I'd need more info. Just PM me or send me an email at cajun_mike@bellsouth.net
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Re: Belgian Tervuren as a Police K-9
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#79055 - 07/18/2005 07:36 AM |
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Thanks for the info...Other than its long coat (in most cases it will be in an A/C school), can they make good (non-patrol) police dogs or is a different breed recomended for narc/firearms/alcohol detection? Also is this a good breed for a new handler (don't want to get in over-my-head) instead of a labrador or golden retriever? Other than daily ongoing maintenance training, and actual searches for contraband inside the school, it will mostly interact with students during anti-drug/firearms/alcohol educational demonstrations. For the most part, is the breed socialable among large groups of people versus a lab or golden? Further while being a new handler and wanting a "people-friendly and non-aggresive" appearing k-9, would it be wise to not pursue the Belgian or German shepard breeds (G/S, Mals, etc..) and stick with a lab or golden? Any feedback is greatly appreciated.
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#79056 - 07/18/2005 04:13 PM |
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Tuerv's crop up out of malinois breeding fairly frequently.
I have one working in my dept. as a narc dog, he is out of Elgos de Chemin de Plaines, a very well known working malinois sire and he was bred to a malinois and produced a couple Tuerv's in the litter.
Just like Mal's if out of this type of breeding. Show dogs are not nearly as strongly driven but quite pretty animals.
As far as what breed has what temperment don't get too hung up on it. The individual dog is what is truly important. You could get a nasty labrador just as well. Make sure that you are seeking a social individual dog who is dominated by prey, play, and hunting drives. It really doesn't matter what the dog is, mal, tuerv, GSD, GR, Lab. especially when you are looking at workign in a school setting. What is important is that you have what you need to do the job well.
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#79057 - 07/18/2005 04:42 PM |
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thanks for the info...make sense about the right temperment..not just the right breed of dog...a friend in private narcotic detection just spoke to me about a great GS that he knows of..he too said about getting the right temperment...but he is a little leary of placing a GS in the schools...he exclusively uses goldens and labs, but he has also seen GS with great dispos..the only thing he was concerned with in Mals & GS was they could be inclined to bite...that's what is good about this forum..I'm can gather opinions and ask others about what they like in their "right dog"...
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